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I agree for the most part that Vader shouldn't fight Obi-wan in the Kenobi series but if there is one thing I disagree is that Vader does hate Obi-wan and actively looks for him at least for a few years. If there is one person he hates and fears barring Palpatine it's Obi-wan. The reasoning is a mix of things Obi-wan is part of his past which he hates, he is bitter of his defeat because he was crippled in a suit of armor that was torturing him, he is afraid Obi-wan developed new techniques and rewrote his wrong on mustafar, all he can think of is his frustrating memories of Obi-wan if he ever looks back and Padme's death is directly linked to Obi-wan so he'll also be angry about that. I think it's also stated or implied it was supposed to be a fight between rivals or people who don't like each other in ANH. It's rather hard to find anything about Obi-wan and Vader where Vader isn't craving his death or at best bitter about Obi-wan.

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Another dumb thing i just realized about Luke dying in TLJ um we know Luke and Leia basically have the attributes of Anakin like his potential and power right? So they have to have the bodies in order to contain that power like before TLJ Luke is never implied to be feeling tired or in pain by using his power or is never work to over train himself or he might get hurt or die and even proclaimed by Obi-wan to be the chosen one suggesting he can reach Anakin's potential. So based on this we can presume Luke has Anakin's durability in terms of using force powers a lot and using a lot of energy. So why did Anakin was capable of using a godly amount of energy to over power to godly beings like the son and daughter and still live without any drawbacks yet Luke died from just projecting himself with the force across a few solar systems in a projection that minus well be a hologram in terms of how little it does? Like Anakin should technically not have as much durability as Luke does to handle that considering he was going to unlock his full potential most likely later in life as he is implied to be nowhere near Palpatine in canon. The more i think of the sequels the more angry i get.

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I would like to point a few things out

1. Anakin did want to leave the Jedi order it's stated and multiple times in Legends but they told him he couldn't do it hell Obi-wan basically implied Padme shouldn't get involved with Anakin after the battle of Geonosis because he didn't want Anakin to leave the order and when Anakin suggested to leave with Padme she told him that the order needs him specifically Obi-wan and considering how many Jedi survived because of Anakin or how many things he did for the galaxy would be gone without Anakin no one could have repeated or mimicked what Anakin did not even Yoda. So I just want to clarify Anakin could leave but it wouldn't be a good thing for the galaxy in any shape way or form would it be better than what we got? Maybe but with Palpatine there is not exactly much probability of that happening.

2. Falling in love? No they were allowed and to have sex too but not both that is something you are not allowed at least before Disney because you are exiled immeadeately the mother of Satele Shan was exiled because she believed in attachment not exactly a good look for the Jedi

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tasiele_Shan

Literally because of a little backlash on the attachment rule that happened so yeah the Order was not going to just let Anakin go from the order scott free they would either exile or do something like house arrest. The Jedi and the republic are famous for being paranoid beings when they need to and I don't think they will just allow Anakin the freaking chosen one roam around the galaxy without at least spies looking at him

3. All of that is tragic and terrible thing most of that is not Anakin's fault because Palpatine would have done that regardless sure Anakin played a part but not necessary he was a small clog in the machine Palpatine had this plan for years do you really think Anakin was part of it before he showed up? No Anakin was basically a bonus for Palpatine.

4. Do you want me to give you how many times the Jedi and the Republic did something just as fucked up and nearly cost or did cost the galaxy I don't mean to make them evil but I want to bring up the fact that the Republic and the Jedi also did genocide,allowed slavery, killed billions, slaughtered multiple padawans just because the possibility of turning evil,helped a slave master because they would get help from him and other things they did that were rivaling the Empire.

5. Not really you don't have loved ones besides the Jedi, you don't speak to them, you don't remember them, you don't even think about them not even once and if that loved one is endanger let them die don't mourn them. Also you can kill how many times you just don't do it to someone with a weapon or a kid but everything else free range. The Jedi philosophy is not innocent nor completely good they have many things that are fucked up but considered normal.

6. TCW Anakin really? That Anakin is probably the worst portrayal of Anakin out there including books,novels, movies and comics. There is no way you can use that Anakin as an accurate portrayal of the character. Again TCW Anakin especially in the clovis arc? Your bringing up Mustafar Vader too. The guy who is drunk on power, thinks he can kill Palpatine even though he can't, hasn't slept or eaten in days and is completely out of his mind? Not denying that happened but you are not doing yourself favors by bringing up him at his worst. That is like me taking a photo of someone who at that point was depressed, drunk, suicidal and was at their absolute worst and telling everyone "Yeah that is him on a regular day" it's very much unfair way to do it. Try to use an example of Anakin having a normal day.

7. "Evil like nothing seen before was unleashed" *Laughs in sith empire,hundred year war of darkness, Nihilus,Eternal Empire* yeah the Empire lasted 20 years and even though Palpatine is the strongest sith in history but if you think what he did was the worst then you have seen nothing in SW in this Galaxy there has been dozens of planets destroyed because of a sith, genocide was a hobby, slavery was normal, xenophobia was rampant etc. What Palpatine for was a slow Tuesday. I am just saying for clarification of no Anakin did not bring out the worst in the galaxy he came close to the top tiers but both SW's past and future are worst from the Yuuzang Vong War that killed 1 trillion people to the one of the sith wars that caused a sun go supernova taking out multiple planets.

8. Another reason why TCW contradicts her master was more like a sibling at best and I don't know what she means by letting go of him as he outlived her. Anyways I won't deny Anakin did that but the Jedi are not like that more than once Jedi allow people to live at the risk of millions so kinda hypocritical of you Aayla.

9. You forgot he let go of Ahsoka not to mention he tried to kill Palpatine and was in conflict that is not exactly lack of trying.

10. You forgot Anakin did not murder people because of a happy ending was conflicted even after turning,most his mind at that point and corrupted by essentially the most powerful drug to ever exist. Not exactly normal Anakin.

11. Yes Kanan and Hers did that and were more selfless than Anakin but one thing you forgot to mention is that neither of them had a psychopath on their shoulder slowly dwindling their morals, had an average teacher in the form of Obi-wan,had far happier moments and days spent most of the time free from being attached and living a lie.

12. Would I say Anakin is innocent? No not even close. Would I say he is selfish? Sure Would I say that selfish nature helped more than it hurt? Yeah Anakin helped people any way he could what he did in ROTS was one mistake that grew bigger yet if we see any other example barring one it worked out great. Would I say he is a victim of Palpatine and treated poorly? Absolutely and I am 100% that in Anakin's shoes with all the trauma and pain he went through no one else would have picked another choice put anyone even Hera and Kanan with the exact same trauma, pain and abuse then they would try to save their loved one too. Anakin is complicated I cannot say he is good completely but before ROTS I have a hard time finding another decent person like him that is including Obi-wan

13. Overall I feel like you either exaggerated some things or used the wrong source for them. Making Anakin look worse than he was and making it sound like Anakin was always a psychopath before ROTS. If you want to blame Anakin for the Empire don't forget to blame everyone else just as much because I highly doubt Anakin would have made that decision didn't let an old man constantly talk privately with him -_-

Just thinking about how… 

When you take a step back and look at the Star Wars universe as a whole, it gets really hard to defend Padmé and Anakin’s relationship. 

A common criticism against the Jedi Order is that they stood between Anakin and the love of his life, and that it tore him apart. And yeah, I guess that’s fair - if you ignore that Anakin was absolutely free to leave, that Padmé being a senator was as much of a problem as Anakin being a Jedi (which she states herself in AotC and RotS), and that Jedi weren’t even forbidden to have sex or to be in love (as explicitly stated by Lucas and Obi-Wan respectively - the problem with marriage was commitment; commitment to your spouse over commitment to your duty).

Except it wasn’t the secrecy that made Anakin fall. He would have reduced the Galaxy to ashes to save Padmé even if he’d been free to be married to her openly. And when you look at the fate of the universe? At what Anakin allowed to happen for Padmé? It’s not just the Clones whose identity and free will were ripped from them, not just the Jedi who were slaughtered by their best friends. 

The Lasat were exterminated, the Wookiees enslaved, the Geonosians wiped out, the Mandalorians hunted down, the Force-sensitives children kidnapped. Worlds like Lothal were reduced to starvation. Alderaan was destroyed - billions of people, dead. Thousands of worlds were occupied and stripped of their resources. 

When you need more than one hand to count the number of genocides the Empire committed, the scale of the horror is just too great to fathom. 

So from that perspective - taking a step back, setting aside Padmé’s and Anakin’s feelings, understanding what was a stake - I say who cares. Who cares that Anakin was in love and that he felt he couldn’t live without Padmé. The priority was never “let Anakin Skywalker have everything his heart desires” - the priority was the billions of lives that were between him and his dreams. 

That’s Jedi philosophy (except they are more compassionate that I am here). That you can’t place your emotions, your relationships, your loved ones above everything and everyone else. That’s selfish and that’s evil. Anakin’s tale was never that of a star-crossed lover who tried to break his bonds and love despite his cold, unfeeling Masters’ rules. 

Anakin’s tale was that of a man who loved selfishly. (”There’s nothing more important to me than the way I feel about you” - Padmé isn’t even the most important thing - the way he feels about Padmé is. “You turned her against me! You will not take her from me!”)  Who loved violently. (*after beating the crap out of Clovis* Anakin: “I know I went too far. It’s just… It’s just something inside me snapped.” Padmé: “I don’t know who’s in there sometimes. I just know that I’m not happy anymore. I don’t feel safe. I think it’s best if we don’t see each other anymore. At least not for a while.”) (*later strangles his pregnant wife*) 

He loved selfishly and violently and for the sake of one man’s feelings, one man’s heart, evil like nothing seen before was unleashed.

AAYLA: I can still sense your worry for Anakin, your attachment to him. AHSOKA: It’s just… I get so confused sometimes. It’s forbidden for Jedi to form attachments, yet we are supposed to be compassionate. AAYLA: It is nothing to be ashamed of, Ahsoka. I went through the same process when I was your age with my own master. AHSOKA: Really? You? AAYLA: He was like a father to me. I realized that for the greater good, I had to let him go. Don’t lose a thousand lives just to save one.

Don’t lose a thousand lives to save one. 

That’s it, that’s what letting go was about. And Anakin didn’t even try. 

Of course Palpatine was the instigator of all this death and misery, of course it was his plan, his design, his fault. But Anakin was the catalyst. And Anakin stood by and let it happen, and then picked up a lightsaber and started slaughtering his way to what he imagined was a “happy ending” with Padmé.

Looking at the big picture, looking at all the suffering and loss and the hard struggles of people like Hera and Kanan, like the Rebels who had to sacrifice everything for the freedom of others, it seems absurd, ridiculous, blatantly unfair that this all came to pass become of one’s man love. 

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Luke is stronger because he is in his prime which Anakin didn't get but if Anakin had a few more years he would. Essentially Luke had more opportunities but to make it clear this is Luke long after return of the Jedi though some people argue by ROTJ for some reason.

Ok um, one thing I saw rather recently and it's basically blowing my mind and it's the fact there are at least around 30 statements on Anakin being the strongest jedi/warrior/sith either of all time or in his era. None of them say he is potentially the strongest jedi or that he could be they just outright says he is. I am not going to post all of them but the majority

Clearly Anakin was as strong in the Force as any Jedi who had ever sat on the Council. But as Obi-Wan had told him time and again, the essence of being a Jedi didn't hinge on attaining mastery of the Force, but on attaining mastery over oneself.

(Obi-Wan Kenobi | Star Wars: Labyrinth of Evil)

But Coruscant was not only the heart of the government and the location of the Galactic Senate. It was also the home of the Jedi Temple. As the Separatist attack began, a message was beamed to the Outer Rim, summoning the Jedi’s greatest warriors home. Before the Separatist fleet could leave the Coruscant star system with the Chancellor, they found themselves under attack. Waves of clone starfighters, led by Obi-Wan and Anakin, stormed around their ships.

(Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith junior novelization)

This is Anakin Skywalker: The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace. He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it.

(Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

"It will be," he said slowly, meditatively, as though he spoke only to himself, "an embarrassment to be captured by him." The voice that answered him was so familiar that sometimes his very thoughts spoke in it, instead of in his own. "An embarrassment you can survive, Lord Tyranus. After all, he is the greatest Jedi alive, is he not? And have we not ensured that all the galaxy shares this opinion?"

(Dooku and Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger."

(Mace Windu | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

"We won't try, Anakin. We will do. After all, they are only Senators. Most of them couldn't hide what they're thinking from a brain-damaged blindworm, let alone the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy."

(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

"And even if the prophecy has been misread. Anakin is the one Jedi we can best hope would survive an encounter with a Sith Lord."

(Agen Kolar | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

Even after all these months, she couldn't make herself entirely believe that actual Jedi blood ran in her veins-not only Jedi blood, but the blood of arguably the most powerful Jedi in history.

(Leia Organa | Star Wars: Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor)

"You are on this Council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master." "What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It's unfair! I'm more powerful than any of you. How can you be on the Council and not be a Master?" It was a boy's expression of anger, but it was true. And, as history repeated itself because it had no other choice, Jacen was more powerful than any of them except Luke. And he was growing closer to Luke's strength by the day.

(Jacen Solo | Star Wars: Legacy of the Force - Bloodlines)

"Haden has written a story that goes to the emotional core of everything that happens in Episode III. Obi-Wan must confront every doubt, every misgiving about his time with Anakin. Has he failed his Padawan? Has he missed opportunities? Is he even worthy to have been the mentor to the galaxy's most powerful Jedi?"

(Randy Stradley | Star Wars Insider 79 - Clone Wars Villains Face Their Reckoning)

Gillard also reports that the duel will explain how Obi-Wan is able to defeat his protege, even though Anakin has been established as the most powerful Jedi who ever lived. "Obi-Wan taught Anakin and Anakin has gone past him," he notes. "But when you get to that duel, it's emotional. That's where the mistake will be made. And if you know the characters, you know Obi-Wan isn't going to get emotional and he doesn't make mistakes."

(Dreamwatch #113 - Interview with Nick Gillard)

"Anakin's the most powerful Jedi around."

(Justin Lambros | Disney Adventures: Super Comics Special May 2005)

Many years from now, Luke and Leia Skywalker, offspring of the most powerful Jedi who ever lived, would understand their true destiny.

(Star Wars Revenge of the Sith - The Movie Storybook)

"Anakin's style has changed completely between Episode II and Episode III. He now no longer cares. He knows he's unbeatable. He's far more dangerous than anybody in the universe."

(Nick Gillard | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith - Prima Official Game Guide)

Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi in over a thousand years.

(Star Wars: Miniatures - Ultimate Missions - Revenge of the Sith)

This makes Anakin, in effect, a Jedi Master, a rank that Anakin, with his unprecedented power in the Force, feels has been long overdue.

(Star Wars: Miniatures - Ultimate Missions - Revenge of the Sith)

Anakin Skywalker was the most powerful Jedi the galaxy had ever known . . . Anakin was also peerless in combat, invincible against any opponent.

(Star Wars: The Official Figurine Collection #8)

Thus, Darth Vader becomes a ‘fallen angel’ figure. From being the most powerful Jedi, a fearless hero of the Republic, Anakin falls to the lowest possible point because of his desire for power and security.

(Star Wars: The Official Figurine Collection #12)

Deep and layered are the schemes of the Dark Lord Sidious, Sith Master and architect of the fall of the Republic. Perceiving in young Anakin Skywalker a strength as yet unseen among even the greatest of the Jedi, the Sith Lord engineers elements into his plans, rich in contingencies, that might either turn the troubled Jedi to his own purpose, or else destroy him altogether.

(Star Wars: Sideshow Collectibles - Asajj Ventress statue)

Darth Sidious adheres to a tradition of secrecy imposed by the Sith a thousand years before, working his evil schemes through intermediaries and dupes while remaining hidden in the shadows. His organization includes politicians and anarchists, crime lords and corrupt law enforcement, schemers and dreamers, the wealthy and the impoverished-and, as the war draws to a close, the most powerful Jedi Knight alive: Anakin Skywalker.

(Star Wars: The Clone Wars Campaign Guide)

The mightiest of the Jedi is Anakin Skywalker, rumored to be the Chosen One destined to bring balance to the Force.

(Star Wars: The Clone Wars Episode Guide)

Skywalker was seduced by the dark side of the Force. His boundless abilities fueled a sense of pride that hastened his fall . . . Palpatine elevated himself to the position of Emperor, and dispatched Vader as his ultimate enforcer. With his unparalleled Force abilities, Vader swept through the Jedi Temple.

(Official Star Wars Website - Databank: Darth Vader)

Here is a kicker there is this statement repeated 3 separate times by 3 Revenge of the sith related material implying this line was suppose to in the movie because you do not just repeat this line 3 times without a higher up wanting you to put it there in all 3 sources people are going to read

"Lord Vader, your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you. Go forth, my boy. Go forth, and bring peace to our Empire."

(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith adult novelization)

"Lord Vader, your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you," the cloaked figure said. “Now go, and bring peace to the Empire."

(Palpatine | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith junior novelization)

"You have done well, my new apprentice. Your skills are unmatched by any Sith before you. Now go, Lord Vader, and bring peace to the Empire."

(Darth Sidious | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith comic)

As the Clone Wars rage across the galaxy, young Jedi hero Anakin Skywalker falls to the dark side of the Force and becomes the most powerful enemy ever faced by the Jedi.

(Hasbro Star Wars - Revenge of the Sith action figure line)

Like for anyone wanting to argue Yoda or Mace are stronger than Anakin and could beat him in a fight you have to argue somehow all the people involved in this were exaggerating each and every time and that somehow no one else rained in or said they couldn't say that and let them license those statements. I don't know about anyone else but if an author, series creator, or licensed material says something over a dozen times about their character when does that statement stop being a mistake they might have made and start becoming an actual fact in their universe?

I have headcanon that Anakin told Padme at one point about the angels he met in Iego. And she playfully asks if they are the most beautiful creatures in the galaxy he answers truthfully that the legend was exaggerating and she was far more beautiful compared to them.

I interpret it more as SWTOR trying to make it seem like that not all sith are good but fail do to the so many evil things the sith hell the sith were invented to be a corrupt the point of balance in the force is to get rid of the dark side because it's basically a cancer I won't deny there a few good apples but the grand majority as in 99% are evil. Last I checked the Jedi didn't try to murder billions of people out of spite, caused supernovas killing billions, would give anything for power including killing your loved ones (looking at you Malgus) and hurt people to fuel their own power (looking at you Nihilus). The sith's way of gaining power is killing your loved ones for self hatred, draining the life of people to gain more power, torturing people(for example the oh so good Marr threatened to do while Satele tried to not do and be more gentle), relish in the fact of who they killed, backstab one another the moment they get the chance, are obsessed with killing Jedi constantly, prioritise killing them over almost anything else, many dark side choices are torturing or killing in the game while light side is not killing people most of the time. It's hard to find a good sith who didn't turn to the light side or was using the good to benefit their side. A sith will almost always try to hurt others to get their way while the Jedi will usually show compassion to help others. Sure the Jedi are sometimes questionable but I would prefer a side that wasn't supporting genocide, planetary destruction, mindless violence, gaining power for power's sake and fascism. There is reason why one is an empire and to gain support and become a leader you must be powerful while the other is a democracy where anyone can have a voice. And for last nail in the coffin here is one passage from Sorzus Syn one of the sith and founder of the sith code:

"The sith purebloods require no mantra to remind them how to live. They simply take what they can, kill what they don't need and use everything to it's fullest. They are ruled by the fittest and are a model of what the dark side can achieve"

One more thing: please spare me this “all Sith are evil and self-serving and only care about themselves” nonsense. In the pre-Darth Bane era that’s ridiculous, as much as it is to say all Jedi are good.  This is the Sith code. There’s nothing here about being selfish, racist or not caring about others. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. It’s notable that there seems to be some leave in Sith society for Sith to interpret the Code as they will - there is a scene in the Inquisitor story where Ashara Zavros is frustrated with that lack of a unified philosophy. This isn’t “self serving,” in real-world religions there are often those who question, study and interpret differently.  This is the Jedi code. There’s nothing here about being selfless, being nice or caring for others. There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force

From what is said, there’s less leave for Jedi to question and interpret the Code as they will, and more of a unified message. We see this in major world religions too.  Neither one is wrong.  We meet plenty of Sith who are horrible people, but the stories also show us numerous examples of Sith busting their asses to protect the Empire or the galaxy.

- Satele Shan accuses Scourge of helping defeat Vitiate for “selfish reasons.” She never gives any indication what these reasons are, of course. Scourge sacrificed everything to help defeat Vitiate. He had a position of extreme power in the Empire - not even the Dark Council could stop him, and he answered only to Vitiate. He gave that up to help the Jedi that wanted his people dead, made himself a traitor to his own faction, and was risking his own immortality. That doesn’t seem at all selfish to me.   - Darth Marr volunteers his own resources defeat Revan in a Coalition with the Republic to save the galaxy. He later leads another coalition into Wild Space with the same goal. And when the ship goes down he doesn’t save his own ass, he’s running around literally trying to put out the fires himself.     - Lana Beniko risks her neck multiple times to save the Empire and later to save the Alliance, to the point of literally jumping in front of the player to take a blaster shot in the stomach. There are several occasions in KOTFE and KOTET where she offers to sacrifice herself so the PC can get away.  -  The Sith Empire led by Acina puts themselves on the line to support the Alliance against Zakuul, when they could have easily sat back like the Republic. Defying Zakuul could have brought the Eternal Fleet down on their heads, and they did it anyway.   - Khem Val, while technically not a Sith but still ‘dark sided’ literally sacrfices himself to stop Darth Zash from hollowing out the Sith Inquisitor and taking their body. If the Inquisitor died, he would have been free.   - Darth Silthar on Tatooine doesn’t send his men out into the dangerous field, he does it himself, and uses his last breath to utter a warning to the PC.   - When the Sith Empire realizes that releasing the Dread Masters was actually a very, VERY bad idea, they clean up their own mess and devote their own troops to it. The Sith commander on Oricon is on the surface, doing everything he can to shield everyone else, even at his own expense.   So where is this “all Sith are selfish and care only for themselves” thing coming from? Maybe the answer isn’t in the Sith, but with the Jedi and how they operate.   The Jedi serve the Republic for life. In SWTOR you are told that they serve the Republic even if they don’t agree. They are not given a choice. In the newest update there is talk from General Daerunn of tracking down Jedi and making them come back to fight for the Republic even if they don’t want to. The Jedis’ duty is to serve, without question. The Sixth Line even puts this ethos into their modified code: There is no contemplation, but duty. The Jedi hammer this philosophy into their recruits from a young age: they are there to serve unquestionably. The Jedi’s duty is to do the Republic’s bidding. They are expected to forego love, relationships, families or their own personal lives to fulfill this mandate, and it is seen as noble and good.   What about anyone who doesn’t want to do that? What about anyone who wants to have some life of their own? Easy! You make emotions and dissent “the dark side.” You make the dark side evil. You make it a Very Bad Thing for a Force sensitive to have any other goal in life than to unquestioningly serve their government. There’s no other way to preserve the status quo of the Jedi as the Republic’s eternal unpaid servants. If they go off and do what they want, or get to think about it, they might leave!   Hammering this point home, the Jedi consider any other Force creed to be dark-sided, which isn’t unlike some evangelical religions that think that they are the only ones going to Heaven. For example, there are a few exchanges in the Jedi class stories where Satele makes this claim about the Voss. The Voss, who use their Force sensitives to heal others through self-sacrifice in the Shrine of Healing (watch the Sith Warrior story - the Mystic takes her own strength and gives it to a sick person, and it’s painful enough to make her cry), have precognitive visions and interpret them to help their people. There really doesn’t seem much that is evil about that.  Satele Shan says nothing about the Voss’s practice of apartheid against the Gormak, but she’s concerned about their use of the Force. 

Point being, claiming that every action taken by a Sith is for their own benefit is as silly as saying that every action taken by a Jedi is out of the goodness of their own heart or free will. 

Hello notice your reply but TCW is mostly handled by Dave Filoni not George and not to mention George oversaw some of the sources I mentioned and the relationship was never toxic until he turned and that is a fact before TCW everything before TCW never showed it being toxic until Anakin turned evil. My argument is that Anakin even though he was selfish was not an abusive person or some sort of monster before TCW showed up and basically tried to make it look like Anakin was always a bad person

Just thinking about how… 

When you take a step back and look at the Star Wars universe as a whole, it gets really hard to defend Padmé and Anakin’s relationship. 

A common criticism against the Jedi Order is that they stood between Anakin and the love of his life, and that it tore him apart. And yeah, I guess that’s fair - if you ignore that Anakin was absolutely free to leave, that Padmé being a senator was as much of a problem as Anakin being a Jedi (which she states herself in AotC and RotS), and that Jedi weren’t even forbidden to have sex or to be in love (as explicitly stated by Lucas and Obi-Wan respectively - the problem with marriage was commitment; commitment to your spouse over commitment to your duty).

Except it wasn’t the secrecy that made Anakin fall. He would have reduced the Galaxy to ashes to save Padmé even if he’d been free to be married to her openly. And when you look at the fate of the universe? At what Anakin allowed to happen for Padmé? It’s not just the Clones whose identity and free will were ripped from them, not just the Jedi who were slaughtered by their best friends. 

The Lasat were exterminated, the Wookiees enslaved, the Geonosians wiped out, the Mandalorians hunted down, the Force-sensitives children kidnapped. Worlds like Lothal were reduced to starvation. Alderaan was destroyed - billions of people, dead. Thousands of worlds were occupied and stripped of their resources. 

When you need more than one hand to count the number of genocides the Empire committed, the scale of the horror is just too great to fathom. 

So from that perspective - taking a step back, setting aside Padmé’s and Anakin’s feelings, understanding what was a stake - I say who cares. Who cares that Anakin was in love and that he felt he couldn’t live without Padmé. The priority was never “let Anakin Skywalker have everything his heart desires” - the priority was the billions of lives that were between him and his dreams. 

That’s Jedi philosophy (except they are more compassionate that I am here). That you can’t place your emotions, your relationships, your loved ones above everything and everyone else. That’s selfish and that’s evil. Anakin’s tale was never that of a star-crossed lover who tried to break his bonds and love despite his cold, unfeeling Masters’ rules. 

Anakin’s tale was that of a man who loved selfishly. (”There’s nothing more important to me than the way I feel about you” - Padmé isn’t even the most important thing - the way he feels about Padmé is. “You turned her against me! You will not take her from me!”)  Who loved violently. (*after beating the crap out of Clovis* Anakin: “I know I went too far. It’s just… It’s just something inside me snapped.” Padmé: “I don’t know who’s in there sometimes. I just know that I’m not happy anymore. I don’t feel safe. I think it’s best if we don’t see each other anymore. At least not for a while.”) (*later strangles his pregnant wife*) 

He loved selfishly and violently and for the sake of one man’s feelings, one man’s heart, evil like nothing seen before was unleashed.

AAYLA: I can still sense your worry for Anakin, your attachment to him. AHSOKA: It’s just… I get so confused sometimes. It’s forbidden for Jedi to form attachments, yet we are supposed to be compassionate. AAYLA: It is nothing to be ashamed of, Ahsoka. I went through the same process when I was your age with my own master. AHSOKA: Really? You? AAYLA: He was like a father to me. I realized that for the greater good, I had to let him go. Don’t lose a thousand lives just to save one.

Don’t lose a thousand lives to save one. 

That’s it, that’s what letting go was about. And Anakin didn’t even try. 

Of course Palpatine was the instigator of all this death and misery, of course it was his plan, his design, his fault. But Anakin was the catalyst. And Anakin stood by and let it happen, and then picked up a lightsaber and started slaughtering his way to what he imagined was a “happy ending” with Padmé.

Looking at the big picture, looking at all the suffering and loss and the hard struggles of people like Hera and Kanan, like the Rebels who had to sacrifice everything for the freedom of others, it seems absurd, ridiculous, blatantly unfair that this all came to pass become of one’s man love.