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Hello notice your reply but TCW is mostly handled by Dave Filoni not George and not to mention George oversaw some of the sources I mentioned and the relationship was never toxic until he turned and that is a fact before TCW everything before TCW never showed it being toxic until Anakin turned evil. My argument is that Anakin even though he was selfish was not an abusive person or some sort of monster before TCW showed up and basically tried to make it look like Anakin was always a bad person
When you take a step back and look at the Star Wars universe as a whole, it gets really hard to defend Padmé and Anakin’s relationship.
A common criticism against the Jedi Order is that they stood between Anakin and the love of his life, and that it tore him apart. And yeah, I guess that’s fair - if you ignore that Anakin was absolutely free to leave, that Padmé being a senator was as much of a problem as Anakin being a Jedi (which she states herself in AotC and RotS), and that Jedi weren’t even forbidden to have sex or to be in love (as explicitly stated by Lucas and Obi-Wan respectively - the problem with marriage was commitment; commitment to your spouse over commitment to your duty).
Except it wasn’t the secrecy that made Anakin fall. He would have reduced the Galaxy to ashes to save Padmé even if he’d been free to be married to her openly. And when you look at the fate of the universe? At what Anakin allowed to happen for Padmé? It’s not just the Clones whose identity and free will were ripped from them, not just the Jedi who were slaughtered by their best friends.
The Lasat were exterminated, the Wookiees enslaved, the Geonosians wiped out, the Mandalorians hunted down, the Force-sensitives children kidnapped. Worlds like Lothal were reduced to starvation. Alderaan was destroyed - billions of people, dead. Thousands of worlds were occupied and stripped of their resources.
When you need more than one hand to count the number of genocides the Empire committed, the scale of the horror is just too great to fathom.
So from that perspective - taking a step back, setting aside Padmé’s and Anakin’s feelings, understanding what was a stake - I say who cares. Who cares that Anakin was in love and that he felt he couldn’t live without Padmé. The priority was never “let Anakin Skywalker have everything his heart desires” - the priority was the billions of lives that were between him and his dreams.
That’s Jedi philosophy (except they are more compassionate that I am here). That you can’t place your emotions, your relationships, your loved ones above everything and everyone else. That’s selfish and that’s evil. Anakin’s tale was never that of a star-crossed lover who tried to break his bonds and love despite his cold, unfeeling Masters’ rules.
Anakin’s tale was that of a man who loved selfishly. (”There’s nothing more important to me than the way I feel about you” - Padmé isn’t even the most important thing - the way he feels about Padmé is. “You turned her against me! You will not take her from me!”) Who loved violently. (*after beating the crap out of Clovis* Anakin: “I know I went too far. It’s just… It’s just something inside me snapped.” Padmé: “I don’t know who’s in there sometimes. I just know that I’m not happy anymore. I don’t feel safe. I think it’s best if we don’t see each other anymore. At least not for a while.”) (*later strangles his pregnant wife*)
He loved selfishly and violently and for the sake of one man’s feelings, one man’s heart, evil like nothing seen before was unleashed.
AAYLA: I can still sense your worry for Anakin, your attachment to him. AHSOKA: It’s just… I get so confused sometimes. It’s forbidden for Jedi to form attachments, yet we are supposed to be compassionate. AAYLA: It is nothing to be ashamed of, Ahsoka. I went through the same process when I was your age with my own master. AHSOKA: Really? You? AAYLA: He was like a father to me. I realized that for the greater good, I had to let him go. Don’t lose a thousand lives just to save one.
Don’t lose a thousand lives to save one.
That’s it, that’s what letting go was about. And Anakin didn’t even try.
Of course Palpatine was the instigator of all this death and misery, of course it was his plan, his design, his fault. But Anakin was the catalyst. And Anakin stood by and let it happen, and then picked up a lightsaber and started slaughtering his way to what he imagined was a “happy ending” with Padmé.
Looking at the big picture, looking at all the suffering and loss and the hard struggles of people like Hera and Kanan, like the Rebels who had to sacrifice everything for the freedom of others, it seems absurd, ridiculous, blatantly unfair that this all came to pass become of one’s man love.
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Let us appreciate how adorable Luke is in the Star Wars manga.
HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN + the 'Obi-Ani' lightsaber spin
Hayden came up with a move when we did the second film that was like your move, like signature […] for me it always felt like your move because he was really good at it. — Ewan McGregor
That's not ableist in my opinion since it's just a visual meaning of how became dark and evil both physically and inside. Plus George actually showed the opposite by making Vader good in the end
the way it's lowkey ignored how anakin lost half his saber wielding arm at 19 yrs old and prob had to relearn/adjust a lot of shit.. like sure i guess they had some super high tech prosthetics in sw but it's still not his own original hand not to mention the trauma of losing a limb (or half a limb)... and the shit after mustafar.. he didn't just lose all his limbs and became horribly disfigured and in constant chronic pain he also lost most of his power.. lost the force
George has explained the meaning behind Anakin’s loss of limb as a physical representation of the loss of his humanity and his power. His loss of power is explained as him losing limbs = losing midichlorians = weakening his connection to the Forcer. But he also explains his loss of limbs as losing his humanity and, to be honest, I have a huge problem with that. I find it ableist. Losing part of your body doesn’t and shouldn’t make anyone automatically less human.
I'm not to defend Padme or Anakin but
1. It wasn't genocide there are at least millions more tusken raiders
2. There has rarely if ever been a good tusken raider. They constantly slaughter people and are never on trial because there is no trial in the first place.
3. Eh before becoming Darth Vader he saved at least billions of beings all across the Galaxy so that should make up for killing less than a hundred sentient beings.
4. Luke killed a few thousand if not million people by blowing up the death star yet he never stands trial either so how is that different
there was a kylo ren reference in star wars resistance tonight, apparently slaughtering villages is a hobby for him. the episode’s premise revolves around 2 kids running away from the FO after kylo killed their entire village, including their parents. FO wants to kill the kids, too.
Oh but poor babby Ben felt TERRIBLE about having to kill them, in fact how dare the villagers make him feel so bad these kids deserved to die for that and also children are terrorist enemy combatants too and should have been killed poor Ben did nothing wrong uwu
Also what are these kids whining about anyway? At least they didn’t have a powerful Dark Side user stalking them from their father’s left nut and their dead parents actually cared about them something something kitchen droid Bendemption 2k19!!!✌️👍💖
I think it's more so because TCW always nerfs Anakin as every time he fights he loses or looks bad every time besides against Dooku while in Legends said like a dozen times was that Anakin was superior to Obi-wan in combat
I LOVE THIS SCENE A LOT??? I mean, it’s super painful because it’s complicated for all of them–I understand why Anakin feels betrayed, because he takes everything so incredibly personally, that he has trouble parsing the difference between what Obi-Wan’s duty is versus Obi-Wan’s personal loyalty to him, that duty and saving lives might actually take precedence over that personal loyalty. Then you have Obi-Wan who understands that this is difficult, but he can put other people’s lives above personal loyalty, that it’s never that he didn’t care, but that he saw a situation where there was something more important than how Anakin would feel about this, no matter how much he cared about Anakin’s feelings, too. BUT IT’S ALSO A REALLY COOL LITTLE SCENE because Anakin is in full rage mode, wanting to kill the person who killed Obi-Wan, he’s ready to do some Serious Murder here and “Rako Hardeen” just absolutely wipes the floor with him. Even when Anakin gets in a few hits, Obi-Wan flips him right back over and puts him to the ground. Which is fascinating–is Obi-Wan just that much better at hand-to-hand combat than Anakin? Is it that he knows Anakin so well that he can mop the floor with him like this? Is it that Anakin’s rage makes him sloppy and unfocused? Probably some combination of all of the above? It always invites parallels to Mustafar for me, where Obi-Wan spends so much of the time not actually fighting back against Anakin so much as giving ground to try to give Anakin time to come to his senses. That, part of what allows him to win there is that he knows Anakin so well that he beats him in that fight, that Anakin’s powers should make him at the peak of his entire life thus far (because, in so many ways, Vader may do more grand gestures, but George Lucas was always clear that Vader NEVER reached Anakin’s true potential), but Obi-Wan won that fight pretty thoroughly. Again, to some degree, Anakin’s rage and arrogance made him sloppy, that part of it is Obi-Wan is an incredibly disciplined Jedi who has mastered himself and his style, but a lot of it is just, yeah, holy shit, Obi-Wan is really fucking good. It also makes me think of Naboo, where Qui-Gon was a Jedi Master and still fell to Maul’s attacks, showing that Maul was indeed a powerful and well-trained fighter. Yet, Obi-Wan still wins that fight as well, even when he probably uses the Force through anger and hurt and suffering (the dark side), he still is good enough and disciplined enough that he ultimately wipes the floor with Maul, too. It also makes me think of his fight against Maul and Savage at the same time, where they’ve both been established as incredibly dangerous fighters, they’ve both killed Jedi before, and Obi-Wan not only holds them both off at the same time, but he even does serious damage to them!
LOOK AT THIS SHIT, THAT’S THE HOTTEST THING EVER AND ALSO HOLY FUCK HOW DID HE NOT DIE, MUCH LESS COME OUT AHEAD IN THAT FIGHT!? A lot of it is about the context of the fights he gets into, but also just OBI-WAN KENOBI IS REALLY FUCKING GOOD IN A FIGHT. THIS IS A GUY WHO KNOWS HOW TO FUCKING MOVE. YOU ALWAYS WANT THIS GUY ON YOUR SIDE, HOLY SHIT.
It does matter
It's my fault... It's all my fault... I don't reach out... Maybe I do but no one answers... But that doesn't matter...