As Someone Who's Against Abortion, I Feel Like This Needs To Be Said: Society Really Doesn't Do Enough

I hate how it's always a 'young woman who took advantage of a 60 year old for her position' and not 'a 60 year old man who only promoted women who were willing to give him sexual favors.'

Aww man, I want a heart shaped mouse 3:

My Beef with Miguel O'Hara - A Spiderverse Rant

If you've read the title of this, you already know who I'm gonna be crapping on.

I know some of y'all are gonna flame me in the comments, but I do not care. Now, if you’re willing to bring up counterpoints about a FICTIONAL topic in a respectful manner, I’ll listen no problem because I don't mind being wrong (and I actually HOPE I'm wrong about this since I WAS excited about watching Miguel in action because there was so much hype around him). But if you take me having beef with a fictional character as me having beef with YOU, then I politely ask you to spare your mental health and drink some hot chocolate under a blanket after you click away from this post, thank you. 

Now back to the topic.

Most of us Spider-Man fans have seen the movie, "Across the Spider-Verse" at some point (and if you haven't, what are you doing? Go watch it, it's on Netflix). Excluding everything that makes it a masterpiece aside, there's one character in the movie who really grinds my gears. Not in terms of how they’re written, but more so just how they are as a person in general. 

Miguel O'Freaking'Hara. 

I do not like Miguel. I feel pity for him, but I do not like him. I do like him as a character, though. I feel like he definitely adds to the story and makes it interesting. I genuinely feel like ATSV would’ve been really boring if he wasn’t part of it. But I do not like him as a person. 

Miguel doesn't JUST have a stick up his butt, he has the whole TREE.

I couldn't care less about the fact this dude looks like a handsome statue because of the stuff he was doing to Miles. I think y’all forgot that this dude THREW A TABLE AT A MINOR UPON FIRST MEETING HIM and then has the nerve to throw away the food Miles got for him like it's trash. If that’s already not a red flag, I don’t know what is.

I don’t care if it was just ‘frustration.’ Miguel's 27 years old, he should know better. Unless Miles was attacking him in the beginning (which he wasn’t), there’s no reason he should’ve done that. But oh…I have much more beef with this dude than just a table. 

I understand that his supposed role and whatnot in the Spiderverse is that he has to keep canon events going. He has to get rid of 'anomalies.’ Unfortunately, Miles Morales (from Earth-1610) is an anomaly because he was never supposed to be the Spider-Man of his universe. So, what does Miguel do? He tries to obliterate the guy.

…Ex–freaking-scuse me?

"Oh, but Miguel tried to talk to Miles about everything!" 

Yeah. And he did it in the worst way possible. Miguel had absolutely no empathy towards the whole situation, then has the gall to wonder why Miles is running off and not listening to him. No dip, Sherlock. I'm pretty sure if you harshly told any normal person that someone they loved deeply was going to die and that they couldn't save them without any hint of compassion, they'd go against what you said and try to find a way to save them, bro. 

Miguel's whole schmo is that Miles becoming Spider-Man was bad because it created Spot and Spot's creating a bunch of problems. As a result, Miguel also tells Miles that saving his dad is not allowed. Here's where I have a problem with that logic. If Miles being Spider-Man is an anomaly in the first place, why NOT save Jeff as a way to prevent more anomalies from HAPPENING? If anything, Miles losing his dad would've just been another canon event for him to continue BEING Spider-Man, even though he wasn't supposed to be. Legit, this dude’s logic irritates the pee out of me.

Miguel's approach to the problem is also hypocritical considering that he lost his own wife and daughter in the universe he belonged to, then invaded ANOTHER UNIVERSE he didn't belong to, which honestly in my opinion makes Miguel look even worse to me. I'm willing to bet that Miguel’s alternate daughter could’ve been that universe’s spider hero, but because THIS vampire edge lord stepped into a universe that was NOT his, it prevented the canon event of the classic “Dead Guardian trope,” leading to that universe’s evaporation.

Another thing that irks me about the whole thing is that MILES IS LIKE 15-16 YEARS OLD. So as far as I'm concerned, O'Hara is trying to eliminate a KID. Even though he knows what it's like to lose a KID. No wonder the multiverse prevented him from being a father—he’s violent, unstable, and completely short-sighted. He’s out here chokeslamming a teenager and calling THEM the mistake. Just because you went through grief and trauma with your own children, it isn't an excuse to take the breath of another child. 

(Y'know, considering the events of Multiverse of Madness, I'm kinda seeing a pattern here--)

Miguel, for some reason, refuses to have a smidge of sensitivity for what Miles is going through. Heck, even Gwen and Peter Parker had more empathy for Miles despite them not telling him he wasn't supposed to be Spider-Man because they actually cared about his feelings TO SOME DEGREE.

I hate Miguel’s whole “You’re a mistake!” speech because Miles didn't create the spider. Miles didn't summon the spider. Miles didn’t choose to get bit. He didn’t find it on his own terms. Miles didn't choose to create Spot—the one who’s actually causing them problems. Someone ELSE brought the spider there. Someone ELSE took away a universe’s Spider-Man. Miles is just trying to deal with what he’s been given. So if Miguel wants to go after ANYONE for ‘anomalies’ in terms of Miles’ universe, he needs to track down the person who put something where it didn’t belong.

For crying out loud, he told the boy that HE was a mistake. It’d be one thing if he said “You being Spider-Man was a mistake” or something. But no. He says that Miles IS the mistake.

During that whole speech, it sounds like Miguel is trying to tell Miles that everything is HIS fault as if Miles had a choice in being bit. As if Miles even had a choice in the fact that a radioactive spider from an alternate universe chose to bite him. 

There were so many other ways Miguel could've handled the issue and he didn’t do that. I don’t care what his so-called intentions could/would be because it really put a disgusting taste in my mouth. 

I still have no respect for the fact that he hypocritically and previously invaded another reality where he was dead so he could be with his family--and here's what I mean by that.

Yes, I understand--Miguel's life on his original earth was freaking sad. He lost his wife and daughter. That's obviously a very tragic thing to go through. But it’s the fact that he's cracking down on Miles so badly despite Miguel LITERALLY being the one to pull a Kingpin vexes me. Miles had ALWAYS belonged to his universe. Miguel’s only in the dump he’s in because he was trespassing.

Don't get me wrong, I feel pity but I absolutely cannot stand the audacity of this man to go after a kid who got bit IN HIS OWN UNIVERSE even though Miguel was the one who contributed to some multiversal disaster in the Spider-verse. You could try to say, "Oh, it's because he doesn't want to make the same mistake again and shatter the Spider-verse or something!" While I could understand that, it’s still not a good reason for Miguel to do and say the stuff he did. I thought at the bare minimum, he'd be at least able to RELATE to Miles considering that he also lost people he cared about.

End conclusion: 

Miguel is vexing to me–but I don’t hate the way he’s written. If anything, I think if he wasn’t written this way, the ASTV movie would be very different. Whether that’d be for the better or the worse, I’m willing to bet most of this storyline wouldn’t even exist were Miguel not like this. So even though Miguel absolutely grinds my gears with his mindset and who he is as a character—I’m not mad at his writers. And I honestly feel like that’s just a showmanship of how great the writing for the Spider-Verse movies is. Good writing is when you’re mad at characters for the decisions THEY make, and not at the WRITERS for having them make those decisions. 

I’m out.

“I cannot pretend prochoice vs. prolife is about women versus babies. It isn't. It is about society versus families.

Abortion doesn't save women. It doesn't stop or fix rape. It doesn't end poverty. It doesn't stop domestic violence. It doesn't do anything except undo women's healthy biology, kill her child, and send her right back to whatever circumstances she came from.

Sure, if she just doesn't want to be pregnant, it ends pregnancy. Why doesn't she want to be pregnant though? The replies are along the lines of, "Fuck you. It doesn't matter. It is her choice and right." Ok. Thank you for telling me you care about abortion, not women.

This is what is being offered as the savior for women? This is our freedom? This is our equality? This is the answer we are being offered for children living in poverty, abuse, or neglect? Just pre-emptively guess their fate and kill them? This is what we are being offered as a way to address maternal mortality? Don't attempt to make advancements that address complications that arise in pregnancy, just blame women's biology and kill her kid?

I do not accept that this is the best we can do for women, children, or families. I do not accept that to be free, equal, and safe women have to turn against their biology and their children.”

– Robin Atkins

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

(also the art is amazing)

got some more oldiesss

i severely love these two as well btw,,, so they’re married

So, like. In a society that is deeply misogynistic, does not help pregnant women, and openly shames them when they end up abandoned and unable to support the child. Are you saying women should stop (getting abortions, or in your terms) committing murder anyway? When:

- pregnancy is a health condition that renders people unable to work, some during and most for a significant period after;

- this is true—this is a country where the complication rates for pregnant women and children are actually quite poor for the average wealth;

- there is nowhere near enough support, financial or service based, that helps that clump of cells that was saved to ever become a toddler. Neither foster care systems nor current food banks and support could possibly count, not with the quality they are or amount of time they take away from the day to day.

Like… I don’t understand, why not change the focus from judging women for their choices (one way or the other), pursuing this in the name of feminism, to changing the world first.

Because feminism is great, as a concept. But you can’t eat it. It won’t help you calm a baby who’s been crying for hours. It won’t teach you what you need to know to take care of that kid.

Historically a lot more kids died of various causes, starvation included. Why should anyone accept this as a possibility in the 21st century? If other countries can give new mothers 1-3 year maternity leave and tax breaks, why are we content with living knee deep in misery?

Philosophy is well and good, but we can’t afford it yet.

All very fair points :)

I appreciate that you sound willing to have a conversation instead of resorting to just throwing insults at me, so thank you.

I do think we should change the world first and I'll admit, I haven't done a good job stating that in the past. I'll admit I didn't do a good job at making those viewpoints clear earlier and so because of that I come across as judgmental. Miscommunication (or rather lack thereof), I will always be willing to apologize for.

Everything that I do think about this topic I obviously have not stated on this profile because I do like to talk about other things and not JUST politics. But in regards to the topic itself that you mentioned, as much as I don't like abortion, I don't think it should be banned immediately. I do think there needs to be a gradual shift so that way so-called pro-lifers can earn the trust of women. And also because of economic reasons since as you said, some changes we can't afford yet. I hope these said changes come, but even if they do, I don't have faith they'll come within due time.

I know I have not stated this in the past before but honestly I think it's because I never really thought to do so. I guess it was because no one else was curious to ask but even then, I'm more than willing to accept responsibility for how I come off.

I do have a lot more thoughts and opinions regarding this topic so if you do want to know more about what I think on the topic you can just DM me, send another, or we can continue this conversation (which I'm more than happy to do). I will post more in the future regarding my views so my most recent one most certainly won't be the last because I don't like how both sides handle the issue.

But I completely agree: the world does need to change first in order for abortion to be removed because women rightfully don't trust the world. How can we when it's been harsh to us time and time again?

Because a large reason why lots of women are getting them in the first place is because they don't trust the world to help them out which is WAY more than fair. Hospitals in America don't really do much to help women with Jack and it wasn't until 1993 did women in America start being medically studied, which is so disgusting.

I think one of the things we as a society can do is make sure pregnant women have free (or at the bare minimum, much cheaper) and baby products should not be taxed. Our government has so much money to spend on everything else so I don't see their need to squeeze cash out of stuff.

Obviously there's a LOT more aspects of this but I don't want to run your ear off unnecessarily so I hope it's clear what I'm trying to say. But I'd be willing to continue talking about this :)

This is my mom in a nutshell. I'm glad she always supported the things I liked to do and I hope more kids can have a mother like that.

My personal favorite comic of 2024 ♥

I don't think I'll ever be convinced by the "clump of cells" argument people like to use for abortion. "It's just a clump of cells---" Okay, and what are we? What are we made of? If anything, adults are just giant clumps of cells, so does that mean I can take life from you? "Oh, but we can feel---" So can a tree but you can't hear trees scream when you cut them down with a chainsaw, can you?

I'm just saying, two plus two doesn't equal three, it equals four :/

I sure do apologize for my lack of explanation. Probably should have said this earlier. I wasn't *attempting* to say that having a child makes a man stay or betters the economy---and honestly? With how our politicians are handling it, I don't really have much faith it's going to get better---regardless of how many children we have.

I was *trying* (but apparently failed according to you) to say that men who abandon pregnant women should be condemned by society and be held responsible for what they do. Men should be more sexually responsible like they keep hypocritically telling us to be. It allows men to use women as objects instead of holding themselves to the standard of sexual fidelity they often tell us to have.

The government obviously and always will have selfish reasons for promoting certain things, but I personally think that if society considered it shameful and directly punished men for abandoning women they impregnate and trying to escape the responsibility of that, this would also cut out another aspect of the issue since people who are in favor of this procedure often say that those who oppose it don't want to address any contributing factors to why women would get abortions. And I do want actual change to be put in place to make sure women won't even have to *consider* getting one (as unrealistic as that might sound, but one can hope).

I have another post expanding on this which I *hope* might make some things more clear, but as an American woman, I have the freedom to disagree. If the logic from pro-abortion arguments were to be implemented, I wouldn't exist today---nor would a lot of people I love.

I don't hate anyone who's gotten an abortion. I don't hate anyone who genuinely believes it's right because I used to be a supporter of it and I understand the perspective. I simply think it is wrong because of how my views changed overtime. I don't consider myself to belong to any specific party because I've seen firsthand how both sides change.

I also apologize if this still doesn't explain much, but I do hope you have a good rest of your year.

I personally consider abortion to be anti-feminist due to the fact it allows men to not be held responsible for their irresponsible actions of sleeping with a woman they have no intention of loving or providing for. It allows men to treat women like commodities with no consequence.

My Beef with Miguel O'hara Pt.3 - A Spiderverse Rant

“Oh, rancid Miguel, how do I loathe thee? Let me count the ways. I loathe thee to the depth and breadth and height My souleth have no desire to reach thee, and wants to be out of sight For I believe it preserveth mine own grace”

You know the drill by now, if you wanna read the first two parts (Part 1 and Part 2), then click the links because there’s no way I’m retyping everything. Don’t wanna read it? Then in the words of Laila, that’s just not my problem.

We already know by now how this guy has his own agenda and stubborn cult-like way of thinking in terms of how the Spiderverse should work. I had been watching Spider-Man PS5 gameplays recently when I struck absolute GOLD.

In the 2011 game, “Spider-Man: Edge of Time,” there is a specific clip in there and I promise you, when I found out it existed, it made me so happy because it let me know I’m not crazy for thinking Miguel’s way of handling stuff is absolute bullchips. And for those of you that have watched or played Edge of Time, you might already know what I’m talking about.

For any fangirls out there that will defend Miguel tooth and nail, I have a question for you. What would you do if an ACTUAL Spider-Man went up to Miguel and told him he was wrong about everything in terms of his worldview?

Well, don’t worry. You don’t need to wonder.  BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAPPENED.

(Video by @CCGAMING TV on YouTube)

You know it’s bad when a traditional Spider-Man is telling you that not only does your ideology suck, plus you also completely suck at your job.

And even if we were gonna go with the argument of Edge of Time using a different variant of Miguel for the storyline (but I don’t exactly think they are considering their universe numbers are the same—-that being 2099), it certainly goes to showcase that Miguel’s way of quote-unquote ‘heroism’ is pretty consistent (in that he believes innocent people should be allowed to just straight-up DIE).

The only difference between Edge of Time Miguel and Spiderverse Miguel to me (personally) is the fact that Miguel was actually willing to listen to a perspective outside of his own (and infinitely MUCH quicker to do that than Spiderverse Miguel).

But even then, it falls flat when you consider the literal fact that in order for him to do so, Peter had to explain why letting his girlfriend just randomly DIE instead of saving her is a BAD thing. So clearly the lack of empathy is consistent as well (regardless of its varying degrees). 

“Oh, but he said ‘Maybe this'll help even the score for everything the world owes you.’”

Okay? So? We’re just gonna forget that this guy was gonna let Peter’s girlfriend die without telling him ANYTHING and was planning to keep him in the dark the whole time up until that point? I’d have a hard time trusting someone after that.

And on top of that, Miguel ACTIVELY had that information in the ARCHIVES about MJ dying (meaning he didn’t want anyone to find it or be aware of it). He KNEW that Peter would want to save her and that’s why he didn’t tell him. That sure seems manipulative as heck to me.

Sure, you could argue that Peter’s a jerk here for looking through the files, but gosh darn it—I can’t even be mad at him here because he was just looking for information on the problem at hand.

Peter's absolutely right---Miguel doesn't get what being Spider-Man is about. Miguel's not a hero--he's a control freak that wants everything done his way or the multiversal highway.

Granted, I don’t know what they plan to do in terms of Miguel’s character in the third Spiderverse movie. For all I know, he COULD potentially have a change of heart. But like I said before with EOT (Edge of Time), this change of heart would only occur after getting scolded about why it’s wrong to let people evaporate on your watch.

The only reason why I have slightly (keyword: SLIGHTLY) more respect for EOT Miguel is because at least he was willing to save someone's loved one (but once again, it was only after he was called out or confronted, so even then, it's still very slimy).

I already explained the complexities behind Miguel’s so-called intentions, so don’t even try to be like, “Oh, he thinks or does this because of this—-” it’s still not a good justification for telling a teenage boy that his father should die, and that he’s not allowed to do anything.

I’m so glad I found this clip because it’s just more fuel for the fire for me in terms of my passionate dislike for this man. And whether he’s redeemed in the movie or not, there’s no way in fish chips I am ever going to let people forget that this was the same dude hunting down a MINOR. 

“Hey, kid. Sorry I was gonna let your father die for no reason and expected you to just listen due to my inexcusably flawed ways of thinking and the fact I also practically tried to kill you because I wouldn't let your father die, all the while insulting you and calling you a mistake.”

This is what I mean when I say Miguel lacks empathy (or even worse, just basic sympathy). I will never understand why Miguel thinks that because he lost people he loves, that other people should be okay with the same thing. He's like those old people that assume just because they went through traumatic events, that their children should go through them too just because they also went through it.

Honestly, with the way Miguel acts, it's difficult to remember he HAD people he loved that passed away due to the fact he just seems to want people to just 'accept' that it happens. No way, Jose. You would think the guy who lost his wife and CHILD would be thinking a lot more consciously about how he chooses to treat and address people, but he straight up doesn't.

I don't care what people say, Miguel es basura. Muy asqueroso.