I Mean It's Canon

on the one hand, i'd like them to have a trusting and close fraternal relationship; on the other hand, the idea of how over time they grow apart, eventually only exchanging messages and calls a couple of times a year, seems tragic and in a sense resonates with me. i don't know

Why do you ship BoButter — not hating! I just haven’t seen it as much!

hi! that's alright, i will try to explain my position

how should i put this... i like them as a couple more not because they had a lot of interactions throughout the show, but rather because of their potential. they are my favorite characters - they're both incredibly well-written - and i also like them individually, independently of each other, and how they could grow up being in a relationship is a very interesting topic to me

so here's the reason: they work well together. why? i'm planning to make a post about this one day, so for now i'll try to be brief:

- on a superficial level they differ, but if you look deeper, you realize that they are very similar (both had acting careers, similar coping mechanisms, same age and gender). they would understand one another well, without being completely identical to each other and thus living in a kind of echo chamber (as in the case of todd and pb f. e.)

- at the same time their differences are not as critical as diane and pb had, and if they really tried to understand their partner, they would truly complement, not suppress each other

that's why by the way their relationship is possible only after the end of the series (aus don't count), where both characters have gone through a long path of growth and, finally, are ready to build healthy friendship, which after a while could turn into something more

for instance: bojack would become more independent with mr peanutbutter, as he would have to solve his problems himself because pb, due to his forgetfulness and carelessness, simply would not be able to do it for him, as princess carolyn did; mr peanutbutter, in turn, would not have to suppress the desire to make big gifts since bojack just would not mind this. he also wouldn't finally have a partner who was much younger than him. and so on

- and. imho bojack wouldn't simply be able to build healthy equal relationships with women because of his mommy issues lol. he's too old to completely rebuild his mindset, and well... i can imagine post-canon!bojack being actually happy and not self-destructive only in a relationship with a man or being single at all. but that's just me

and yes, they certainly wouldn't fix each other. i rather see it this way: they go through their personal growth, supporting each other and becoming good friends. in turn, a strong closeness and a huge common history, as well as the growing sympathy in general, contributes to the emergence of romantic feelings and one of them ends up confessing to the other, and that's where they start dating.

i also get that they could just remain friends as well, and that would also be great, but being romantic partners, in my opinion, would further expand their potential and gain personal growth as characters. they have every chance of becoming great partners for each other for the rest of their lives (which is not very long)

so yeah, i myself can't say that there were many interactions between them in the show, but i rather like their potential and the dynamics of their relationship. i hope i answered your question anon!

rockstar bojack inspired by @bojackhorsemanlvr's cool au

okay, about old married couple bobutters and hollyhock…

i just consider this topic terribly interesting because i like hollyhock and i like their dynamics (going back to that post from my dead account, rest in peace)

i have two scenarios in my head. the first is that hollyhock is raised by his 8 fathers and, as in the original, finds bojack and tells him that she may be his daughter. AND THE TEST CONFIRMS THE KINSHIP. AND SHE WAS BORN IN 1999, WHEN BOBUTTERS WERE ALREADY TOGETHER. do you understand? that would be a real drama... kind of a test of their relationship. before they came to the conclusion that hollyhock was his sister, not his daughter, bojack would vehemently deny the fact of cheating (maybe he'd even start doubting himself due to his insecurities and all) but what pb's reaction would look like… given his fear of loneliness and tendency to forgive... it's interesting to speculate about. i have a lot of thoughts but i want to hear yours first

and the second scenario is just fun. what if they adopted hollyhock. i honestly didn't think through exactly how this would happen because beatrice would hardly be eager to give the child to them. maybe henrietta would contact them directly, knowing that these two were good guys? idk. but watching and exploring their cute family dynamics seems interesting to me :3

anyway what do YOU think? take your time with the answer, i know that it's about 5:00 am for you

woah holy shit ok… the DRAMA of that first idea… woah.. Because we don’t often see any sort of drama between the two and this would be really interesting to explore… Bojack KNOWING he didn’t cheat, and PB hoping his partner would NEVER do that to him.

That scene where Bojack rushes to hollyhocks house with the information about his dad and Henrietta, but he rushes to PB on his KNEES begging for forgiveness after that conflict, and honestly they’re both better off because of it

As for them adopting hollyhock… that’s just adorable, and the way you brought it up happening feels probably the most likely, to me at least.. especially if (and i’m embarrassed saying this) but if Jay exists then i could see the two being like sisters which is a lovely idea

so... i kinda wrote a fanfic! a pretty big one. naturally on bobutter. naturally on old married couple au. it's on ao3, and i'd be happy if you'd read it when you don't have anything else to do. i'll be posting chapters gradually. nothing serious, just a read after a hard day. i like this au so much that i wanted to write the origins of their relationship. so yeah! here's the link: