(Where Dabi takes Geten out of his Meta Liberation Army bubble so he can observe some normal people)
Geten: Is the Meta Liberation Army handbook short on stock?
Clerk: Sorry, that's all we have... *sigh*
Geten: Get a larger stock and they will sell!
Clerk: Thank you for your suggestion.
Geten: There's still time to be patient until that glorious day comes.
It can't be helped; I must refrain from using my meta ability in public. (To Dabi) What did you buy?
Dabi: It's a secret.
Geten: Stop following me!
Dabi: It's a babysitting job. Give me the pocket money the bald CEO gave you.
Geten: Don't call him bald!
Dabi: Let's get something to eat.
Geten: We'll go to the restaurant run by PLA soldiers and frequented by government officials that offers free all-you-can-eat meals to senior officials.
Dabi: That's so shitty.
(Dabi takes Geten to a popular fast-food burger joint instead)
Geten: -Looks messy
(Sign says 'Wo's Burgers')
Dabi: How can we talk about the future of society without knowing what's popular with our current society?
Worker: Welcome to Wo's. Can I take your order!
Random Girl: Hello, mom? The closing ceremony is over. Big brother is here too.
Random Older Boy: Which one is good?
Random Voice on Phone: Yes, I went to pick you up. I'll be back after lunch.
Random Younger Boy: No way.
Boy: The red one!
Older Brother: Seriously?!?!?! It's spicy!
Boy: Yeah! Ta-bo is an adult at school.
Dabi: Hey.
Geten: Ah... Ah, leave it to me.
Dabi: If you don't like it, burn it.
Geten: Don't just kill future soldiers without permission.
Don't hold me back with haphazard slaughter. If you get in his way, I'll put an end to your life right here.
(Geten gets more worked up)
Geten: When the time comes, as much as you want to, just kill them if they need killing. Right now, you're definitely the one holding me back.
(Where Geten reveals how he can't connect with regular people from being sheltered and isolated by MLA ideology.....hints at affection for Dabi maybe)
Geten: It's possible to become attached to a single ant,
When they gather together, they're no different from the buildings that grow everywhere.
It's an unrealistic view, like watching them from the other side of a television or a window.
Geten: ReDestro is passionate about society, which includes the general public.
Even if I think so, maybe I-I need to have a real, tangible experience of it.
Even if a large number of people were killed in front of you, you probably wouldn't feel any particular sympathy.
I think it puts a river between us.
The reason I stopped earlier was simply because that's what Re-Destro still wants.
Blue Flame, who are you?
Dabi: You're so talkative. Are you an adolescent?
Everyone has a river around them, right?
So, let's build a bridge for the same cause or dream... No matter how many weird arguments you make, no matter how disgusting the logic.
You're just gonna fly off like a brain dead idiot anyway, so don't ask me.
Well...
Geten: It's impossible..
Dabi: If you cross, I'll give you a kiss.
Geten: What are you talking about?
Dabi: The story of the ice man who drowned miserably in the Sanzu River.
Geten: Every single time since a while ago.....!
Dabi: It's fine, kids should just act like kids and have a happy meal.
Geten: Stop treating me like a child!
Geten: I don't approve, I don't approve....
*cough* *munch, munch, munch* *cough* *munch*
(Manages with mouth full) This simple food is the diet of the masses.
*breaks into a paroxysm of choking and coughing from food getting caught in his throat. It was so good he ate it too fast)
Dabi: (amused spewing vinegar) I don't understand hamster language. You are eating your hair. Wow, you look sloppy. Sheez....
*slaps him*
Did it hit you strange?
Geten: !?
Geten at a high point observing Dabi speaking to another person.
Geten: (creeping on Dabi in a dark alley) If we understood each other, there would have been a way for us to live together.
Are you pretending to be a self-sacrificing hero?
"You said things like 'light and shadow', 'we live in different worlds', 'fly freely', even though you were the one who made it impossible for me to fly.
That is.....
Is this your kind of love, Blue Flame?
Dabi: He talks so much. He won't stop talking. What a brat.
Geten: Should I get Trumpet to look into finding a good plastic surgeon?
If you can live without using fire, you don't need me. But you do need me, right?
The two of us could retreat to the countryside.
I wish I could live modestly and peacefully.
Dabi: Get wet
Geten: Dry it yourself.
Dabi: Impossible.
Geten: (thinking) Our relationship continues to develop. What a sad man.
Geten: (whispers an unintelligible endearment)
Dabi: Don't call me that, I'll kill you.
Geten: Is this name reserved for Hawks? Sorry about that.
Dabi: What, you don't even know your name? (Meaning the endearment is for Geten).
You're living a truly wonderful life, poor thing.
Geten: ? (Too dense to get it)
Huh? You're kidding!! How the hell do you know that!!!
Dabi: Pfff.....Let's go.
Geten: (confused, maybe because he doesn't actually know his real name, and Dabi claimed the endearment was his actual name).
Hey! There's more like this!
(Dabi pretends not to listen while Geten rants)
Re-Destro's.......apparently it was discovered in the notes he left behind! And then...! Anyway, there are even more touching scenes!
This is the worst! I don't believe it! Hey!
Dabi: *sighs*
Art credit: yaoi, hrak (yaoi), My Hero Academia BL 3000+ bookmarks / (※注キャプション)荼ホ+外荼外の今までに描いた漫画 - pixiv
You forgot to add a very important reason of why Sukuna is more universally beloved by pretty much the entire JJK fandom, whereas in MHA there's no villain who really fits this criteria (at least no serious villains because you can't count Gentle in this lmao).
Anyway, this reason is simply that Sukuna narrative role is pretty much perfectly defined and almost never deviates from being an evil bastard without almost any redeeming feature. Unlike Shigaraki for example, who is more or less the 2nd more appreciated villain behind Dabi, and the narrative constantly goes back and forth between him being pure evil and a misundestood victim who need to be saved.
Sukuna as well most JJK villains are pretty straighfoward in terms of being villains without lack atributes that makes them complex characters, something that MHA certainly lacks as Horikoshi has a problem to give his villains a victim conplex while makes the comically evil at the same time.
And look I know both series have different narrative porpuses for their villains, but then again AFO is much more similar to JJK villains in most aspects. Yet like you said a big difference on why he's not as beloved as the rest of the villains on his own series is simply because Horikoshi constantly downplays him in favor of Shigaraki for example.
It surely doesn't help that AFO isn't conventionally attractive for most of the series while Shigaraki certainly is, despite some people can joke about his look the reality is that he's drawn as attractive and this is reflected on how readers react to him.
If AFO looked like this for most of the series I'm sure the opinions about him would be much more inclined to he positive:
Is a shame Horikoshi dropped the ball so hard with AFO.
I have the feeling that he regreted get rid of him back in Kamino and later struggled to justify his return and glory moments. At the same time he can't fully commit to make AFO way to perfect because HK is still obsessed with Shigaraki for some reason.
There's no room for both villains obviously, and the one that should've stayed is AFO.
If Horikoshi made AFO the definitive villain from the very beginning without switch between him and Shigaraki every 5 minutes, and if AFO was always attractive and with more "aura" moments he would be equally loved as Sukuna?
Well who knows really, but in my opinion all these factors surely could have affected a lot of the public perception.
Same applies to other villains like Overhaul, who are more loved than AFO despite being equally evil as him but sadly Kai didn't last too much either so he's not as popular as Shigaraki who gets constant attention.
Hello, do you mind if I ask your opinion on this :
What do you think that made a villain/antagonist characters are loved by many people? Like, why do you think Sukuna (JJK) is more loved by fans compared to AFO or even Shigaraki (BNHA)?
Also, why do you think Bakugou (BNHA) & Gojo (JJK) are so well loved by the fans of both series?
And, I've read somewhere that "......if Gojo and Bakugou's characters were female (with the same personality) then they will be hated by many..." Do you agree?
P.s
I know you're anti Bakugou, sorry if it's made you uncomfortable to talk about character you dislike, I just love to read your writings.
There are many reasons as to why villains/antagonists are loved by many people, but if I had to sum it up I think that :
Compared to the protagonists, because the antagonists are already demonised and usually called out by the narrative, people tend to find the little redeeming qualities that antagonists have and exemplify it by a 1000 X almost babying the villains while doing the exact opposite to the heroes because the narrative treats the heroes the opposite.
However, when talking about why some antagonists like sukuna are liked a lot more than other antagonists such as AFO, there are a variety of such as :
Characteristics they may have. Sukuna by the jjk fandom is interpreted as someone who is actually intimidating, can be a bit funny but ultimately gets down to business and is seen as an actual threat unlike AFO who just becomes and is written terribly that he doesn't particularly add any tension or emotion into the story
Their goals. Sukuna wants power. He wants to be on top, and he is described as a force of nature that can't be controlled. Yes, in some certain circumstances, he and AFO are similar, but sukuna is able to convey his goals, and the overall development of them from beginning to end is just better than AFO especially with how connected he ends up being g to the jujitsu world.
Their narrative treatment. The way the narrative treats both AFO and sukuna is complete different and it's the way the narrative treats sukuna that makes sukuna more enjoyable and a better character as he for example, is given many opportunities to show case his destructive and malicious behaviour compared to AFO. In the series, AFO is a lot more like a parasite harming many factors of the writing, but this is quite the opposite to sukuna.
Essentially, I think this is the best way to explain the differences in sukuna and AFO and why sukuna is a lot more enjoyable to people and overall better written.
However, I would also like to add that, in general, people like villains a lot more if the said villains are attractive, have a sense of charisma + charm to them, and if the villain ends up being powerful. These criteria end up being checked by sukuna, and AFO kinda fails to meet them, taking in the general fandoms opinion.
As to why characters like bakugo and Gojo are really popular, I think the reasons for that are:
Attractiveness. People find these characters really attractive, and if you have ever been in a fandom, then you know the lengths people will go to, to protect a character who is good-looking. People will overlook the characters' flaws and even valid criticism just because a character is hot. (Like beauty privilege for characters is so insane that you have people trying to defend/justify mei mei because she is pretty)
They're cool/they're badass. Ultimately, characters like bakugo and gojo are really cool. You see, a lot of people cheer them on because they think that this very powerful character is strong and they're someone who they kinda aspire to be as in that person is incredibly influential, they're strong, they're badass etc.
People think they're well written. Characters being well written is a subjective opinion personally I think gojo is a well written character but I don't think bakugo is a well written character. Ultimately, if a character is incredibly dynamic within the series they tend to change and get more moments that makes the audience connect with them.
Now with the statement below I kinda have mixed opinions on it.
Yes, misoginor in fandoms is a big problem that affects the interpretation of characters, and yes, it's been established that people tend to treat female characters a lot more harshly than male characters. Due to this, we got the whole you can't handle complex female characters trend. However, as time passes, I do like to believe that misoginor and racism in fandoms are problems that are becoming more recognised and that more and more people are starting to actually understand characters without being racist or misogynistic.
However, I understand that this is a very idealistic and optimistic view so I will say that if bakugo and gojo were to be female characters with the same personality you would probably have SOME people hate them due to misoginor.
But alas, I think that they wouldn't be as hated and would still be popular. I mean, in MHA, we literally have miriko, who is liked by many fans, and she, in my opinion, is very similar to bakugo.
(Gojo, on the other hand, might be a bit more complicated case)
Before ending this, I wanna say that there seems to be certain character flaws that people like or hate more if a character has them.
For example, there are certain character traits that make people hate characters no matter if they're protagonists or antagonsit or in between. These characteristics are :
Naivety
Ignorance
Hypocrisy
"Crybaby" characters
Cowards
I will say that these characteristics are things that people really hate in a character, and the fandom tends to hate characters that portray these characteristics at first. However, as you can see from the characters I have listed below, the fandom does slowly warm up to them after a while.
Essentially, I can understand why people may hate characters with these traits, especially when the world they're in is built to jarringly contrast the characteristics they have, making them seem annoying to the viewers. However, they are needed to add a huge layer of complexity to the series a lot of the time.
Blame Horikoshi for not keeping Cider as a more recurring character! Is hard to get a big fandom when you only appear twice in the whole manga... despite TikTok seems to love Cider.
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Can you describe how exactly Izumi scars look? Cause right now I imagine her looking like Maki from JJK in terms of scar tissue (and in the sense the scars are an aesthetic).
Of course Mizunami would love every single scar in Izumi, and probably think that makes her more perfect and autentic than any other woman.
I imagine a scene when she opens about her insecurities about her body to Mizunami, and she probably wears a lot of layers of clothes first to cover as much scar tissue as possible.
Instead of giving a verbal response, Mizunami starts taking off his own clothes (and Izu gets a bit shocked an embarrased for obvious reasons) and when he finally takes off his shirt Izu understands what he wanted to show.
Mizu's torso is also covered by years of all kind of scars product of being the member of a gang who got in constant fight with other villains, heroes or the police. He got a lot of cut scars, burns and even bullet scars.
But that doesn't matter to him and he tells Izumi with a lot of confidence that scars are cool and the most real proof of how badass they can be.
That would be the moment in which Mizunami gets into Izumi's heart, and she probably hugs him totally red and dizzy (because after all Cider is shirtless and she probably is getting her face pressed into his pecs). A cute moment of intimancy.
Can't stop thinking about a CiderDeku focused AU in which our favorite seltzer boy and Midoriya work as part time vigilantes together.
And since Izuku has a fire bending quirk in this AU, the contrast of his quirk and Cider's (who is named Mizunami Himura in this story) make people start calling them "Steam-Bow couple" as their unofficial vigilantes name.
Still thinking about the details of how they started their crusade together as vigilantes, but I like that idea I mention in other post about Mizunami saving Izuku from Bakugou when both of them still were in Aldera and Midoriya was around 13. Mizunami still was the leader of the Cider House gang (and maybe two years older than Midoriya) but later he left the group because he felt his members started to be way too problematic and getting in worse situations with civilians and heroes, something he didn't like because while Mizunami commited crimes like robbery he never tried to harm innocent people during his operations.
Besides he started feeling for Izuku after protect him from Bakugou, and since Izu wanted to stay with him after the incident they both start to get along and quickly became good friends, Mizu also helping Izu no being so shy and insecure about himself due the years of bullying.
He start helping Izuku to train his quirk and body during his free time, which served a lot for Midoriya to get in good shape and develop a fight style for the years to come as he still intented to apply to at least a low-middle tier hero school (and this will became important later).
I like to think the incident with the Sludge monster from chapter 1 was what caused a twist on their relationship, as unlike what happens in canon here when both of them are attacked by the Slime that escaped from A.M, Izuku and Mizunami give the monster a big surprise because they were able to fight back.
Slime turned to be quite vulnerable to water and fire combined, which allowed Izu and Mizu to restrain him in a bottle of soda and left him for the heroes finish the job later, as they run totally excited by the experience.
After escape and being safe, Izuku suddenly jump to the arms of Mizunami and they started kissing out of the excitement of the moment. When they calm down both smiled and since that moment they became officially boyfriends, and decide they would have more moments like this in the future so they will start fight criminals together.
Also the incident also give Izuku the final confidence boost he always needed and when Bakugou provoked him after school trying to make fun of Mizunami who was there for walk along Izuku to his home, Midoriya decided he had enough when Katsuki insulted his boyfriend.
So what happened next is that Izuku deep breath and expelled a big green fire ball from his mouth, which resulted in Bakugou getting a lot of first degree burns and loosing his eyebrows (something for what he would be mocked a lot later).
Mizunami used his water quirk to extinguish the fire over Bakugo's clothes who is totally terrified, then Mizu and Izuku laugh at him take a picture with their funs for future reference and run away together.
Hi @nyc3
CinderIzu is great and Cinder as a character was ignored, slept on ...bc villain stans are predictable into hot villains like dabi and shig(yes, shig is hot even in his possum way) and ...damn this fandom waste a good opportunity for a ship.
For a moment, thought you were talking about my idea.
I do like the idea Izumi being considered so beautiful even with her scars (she is prettier bc of her scars bc this woman survived) so in a country where the woman's value depends on her beauty...Izumi carrying her scars and being hot is amazing. Cinder would be into!
Cinder would also be into kill bk!
Her entire story, as she describes what BK did, seems like SA. See? The difference of boy and girl here is how people perceive the violence.
But I'm into this ship.
I do like sgdk a lot.
I do like dabideku too
But CinderIzu??? I'm open and so far like the ideas.
Excuse me but I have to comment this first: it would be funny af if Dabi's plan to get info from Burnin ends having a result he doesn't expects and Burnin gives him info that doesn't work for nothing, or maybe stuff Dabi already knows by that point.
Burnin probably would tell what kind of sweets Endeavor orders to his office, the kind of music he hears that she just described as "dad music", the colour of his rugs, and making constant coments about what a nice ass Endeavor has, yet nothing is remotely bad or can be used to harm Enji's public image because he turned to be a decent boss.
And Dabi will be like "I sleep with this bitch for nothing?!!!" and he gets the frustration of his life.
Oh btw Horikoshi cononized the incest in the Himura family, so DabiTen technically has a canon basis. Good on his part for doing us a favor.
Is nice share different visions for characters, after all that's the magic of rewrite stuff.
I'm not even the biggest fan of Dabi in terms of looks, but always found very weird how the anime constantly makes him look way more defined and with bigger muscles than he has in the manga.
Isn't a bit contradictory for his character to look super ripped? Horikoshi clearly drawn Dabi in that specific way because the story makes emphasis on his body being more frail due having a weak constitution, also contrasting him to the rest of mens in the family who got the big and strong constitution of Enji, Natsuo especially. The anime just lose all the meaning behind that.
And this is more of a personal preference but I find Dabi's body in the manga to look much more attractive and less generic than in the anime. Skinny guys can look attractive as well.
Hi @nyc3
Thanks for the ask bc it's so fitting as I was thinking about how the fandom sees dabi and mr. Possum.
Let me start with this. Have you seen how in the Tumblr the tags of dabi x reader and shig x reader there a HUGE contrast in quality? Shig is depicted as a creepy and weirdo incel while Dabi IS "I'LL STEAL YOUR WIFE😏"
now on a controversial take. I do like the idea of dabi losing his scars. Why? Would increase his quality of life...I find odd how everyone in LoV accepts Dr. Evil's word and never try to take a second opinion. Also, without the scars Dabi would look way more like Endy making his claim be more powerful.
(not a fan of erasing Shig's scars nor the "crusty" jokes. Shig is handsome with his scars)
Now onto your ask: I think Bones just like to make characters hot in a conventional way, JJK men got to be hotter than the manga. But I do notice how bones lacks in translate the manga to anime. Some of the scenes of the manga were done so dirty.
Dabi became hotter aka buffer bc of this. Btw, many dabi x reader like to make the reader have a healing quirk (it should be a trope by now) just so it can heal dabi...which no one account that dabi IS self destructive, a healing quirk is nice but he would do again...unless he changes his mindset (I'm trying to explore this in my fic called besties)
Ask yourself: did shig NEEDED to be buffaraki? Was afo the quirk really need you to be buff?
(was necessary for Izu to gain muscles? Maybe, maybe not)
So to answer: Dabi is attractive in any shape. His writing trumps over shig any day even if shig IS more attractive than Dabi.
I admit that I don't know very much about Obito. Like I have a general idea of who he is, but didn’t watch that much of Naruto so I swear the description for Cider is pure coincidence lol.
What isn't a coincidence is that we both see Midoriya as a mess when a hot dude is sweaty and dirty after pulling a good fight. Lmao it just feel in character for him/her.
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Yeah I know Japan allows the cousing marriage thing, however I don't know if it's exactly a popular practice or even view with good eyes in real life.
For MHA standards we don't have any info either, but considering the Himuras seem to be doing it for preserve the ice quirk purity and quirk marriages are sort of tabu according to Garaki, I don't think is popular either.
I imagine the Himuras in canon really got deep into inbreed until it actually turn against them and almost doomed the bloodline just because new healthy babies stop born. Sell seni younger members like Rei and Geten lowkey seem a strategy to also preserve their own existence, but I personally think they not only were looking for people with a lot of money to sell the childs, but also in the case of the womans like Rei the Himura seniors wanted people with good genetics like Enji.
Ironic how people got so triggered by Enji attemps of eugenics only for the Himuras to be much worse than him in that regard lol.
The whole cinderIzu is great and I welcome with open arms. For my au, I have an idea for them meet.
Again, BK is a footnote in her life and Izumi is not dedicating all her time and energy in thinking of him. (She hears how his quirk remains the same, no quirk awakening bs, how bk's attitude got worse and how Aizawa is sure BK is the future)
Izumi hears about the mpa here and there and ...is not impressed. She needs money, her group can't work by luck...they need ration and more, and Izumi is not happy ReDestro has "schools" for kids to learn their quirks...its just a camp where the kid learns how to use their quirk AND NOTHING ELSE (Geten my be alliterate here)
Stealing from Redestro is not something she can pull off on her own. She needs help to do this heist.
(the quirk schools aren't illegal, per se, but it rubs Izumi in the wrong way. She is right)
Enters Cinder. He shows up with his helmet, all gear up and...well, he too needs money and Mr. Youtsubashi is loaded and if he wants to make quirk schools, fine...let's rob the fucker.
Izumi gawks as Cinder removes his helmet. He is handsome and cute...she wasn't expecting this.
Lol
(I love a good mask reveal!)
I also live for the moments when a character takes of their mask and reveals to be hot, and Cider isn't the exception. I mean can you blame Midoriya for what him?
Note: Izu probably loves in particular the little scar Cider got in his eyebrown, he/her found that detail to be especially sexy.
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Is funny you mention the whole plot of Cider helping Izu to steal stuff from Re-Destro company, as I also have this idea of him making an operation to steal from a werehouse full of valuable tech and support items that Detnerant (I think that's the company name) sells into the black market.
They would have success stealing a lot of merch they later sell to get money, but also Cider found a particularly expensive prototype of a high tech glider he decides to keep for himself and use to compliment his surfing style. As Mizunami is really into surfing in my AU, like he seems to be in canon.
Oh I forgot to mention before but the vigilante name Cider/Mizunami will use for my AU will be "Splashdown". Be free to use it if you like the name.
And since you mentioned Geten here, do you think he will have some role in the story? As I mentioned before I love the idea of Cider being a Himura, but also he probably was rejected by his clan because his quirk is water instead of ice and the Himuras seems to be the kind of elitist jerks to would dishonor a child for born with a "imperfect" quirk.
Which would create a lot of tension between Cider and Geten, especially is they reconogice each other. Geten hating Cider for being "a failed Himura" and Cider will hate Geten because he's just a "an attack dog" for Re-Destro.
There's no other quirks which explicit purpose is heal like R.G but I guess we can count quirks with a secondary use for heal.
Eri and Chisaki are the most obvious examples of having perfect quirks for healing if used in the proper way, despite Rewind and Overhaul can be used for much more.
In the 2nd movie we have Katsuma and his dad, they both have a Cell Activation quirk which is often mistaken as a healing quirk (because Nine wants it to fix his contition) but as Katsuma sister says they weren't sure if his quirk could be used for heal, and the dad of the kids isn't even a doctor.
That being said Cell Activation can indeed be used for heal wounds and such, but its primary effect is stabilize cells and even can unleash the potential inside them which serves as a big power boost, reason why Nine wanted it so much.
Now based on what we seen in the series about medicine, is safe to assume the reason of why even people with healing quirks aren't prominent doctors is because technology makes such quirks less useful.
I mean think about this for a moment, even if we don't count Garaki's crazy ass tech to bring people back from death and crete bioweapons on AM level, the general medical tech in MHA is ridiculously good. They can heal almost everything in short time and get people back in action in less than a month as we seen after the first war.
Recovery Girl probably became a well know doctor and was relevant back in the day because when she was young medical tech wasn't good enough, but in the current time of the series it evolved enough to the point a person like Katsuma dad despite having an excellent quirk for healing didn't bother on persue a medical career.
I see your rank about water based quirks, and it's quite interesting because I've commented the same thing on reddit before and people seem to agree on the fact water quirks have little representation of MHA.
Not only because they are portrayed as way weaker that any other elemental quirk, but usually pure water quirks (not ice ones) only belong to minor and diposable character.
You have:
-Manual "the normal hero" which is sort of a joke character which most prominent moment was keep Aizawa and Monoma's eyes hydratated.
-The firefighter hero from the first episode which I don't think appears ever again and he's only there to extinsguish fire.
-Kota parents are dead imao, and Kota himself is just a child so his quirk doesn't really come into play.
-There was an unnamed villain in the USJ attack who controls water but he's fooder.
While other elemental quirks have a lot of characters which are depicted as really overpower by MHA standards. For example:
-Fire has Endeavor, Dabi and Bakugou to an extent. Self explanatory in this case.
-Air has Inasa, who was probably the most powerful student of his generation before any quirk awakening bs from Class A. Inasa even was stopping Sad Man Parade by himself at one point.
-Earth has Cementoss who was described as op in urban enviorenments, Shindo who is way more powerful than people give him credit for, and if we count metal here Wolfram from the first movie was a really powerful fighter.
So yeah, the difference between water with the rest of the elements is kinda big. Even ice users aren't treated as particulary powerful in the story.
Geten needed to train his whole life without go to school and have a quirk awakening but had problems with a Dabi who was holding back, and he lose against Cementoss for some reason despite there wasn't concrete during their battle.
Shoto is a special case, because notice how the story always treats his fire side as the real powerhouse and not his ice. I mean even Endeavor thinks on the ice quirk as just a way to baypass the overheat rather than a power Shoto can make shine on it's own, isn't that ironic? The ice in Shoto is just a patch for the weakness of his strong side, not this perfect balance between elements.
Perhaps the only truly badass water quirk user we have (despite he's treated as fooder as well) is the nameless leader of the Cider House gang.
Seriously I love this guy for some reason. His design and quirk are awesome, and he's such a fun minor villain.
Wish we had more content of him and his real name, despite calling him Cider is funny.
Hi @nyc3
So before I answer your ask...let me ask you this: where is the others' healing quirks? Is R.G the only one who has this quirk? Bc if so that raises some questions...so are all the doctors quirkless? I´m especualting here as Hori has no desire to do worldbuilding but if we take this as true...then Izu could have been a doctor.
"Quirkless doctors face discrimination" its something I can see someone saying IF the quirkless are the doctors and this is so supremely dumb. I don't think quirkless discrimination IS a thing in the text, what we have is IZU BEING ABUSED.
Now as for the question...yeah, people in MHA prefer quirks that are stronger, fire IS strong...but then again, on the same wavelength, they don´t care to know more about quirks (Izu is seen as the odd ball for analyzing quirks when this should be the obvious, everyone should have a quirk analyst)
Endy wanted a child from a woman whose quirk is ice. Still, he looks down on water type quirks...while yes, he did that to make sure his kid has a cool off system in him for the fire (HIS PLAN IS SO DUMB HOLY SHIT). I ask, ignoring the implications, if he wants to do a quirk marriage and thinks FIRE is the best, why not marry someone who already has a quirk?
Water is seen as weak and I don´t get why. Maybe Hori has some bias on the power scale.
Wind is something Inasa has but... let's be real, Inasa is an ass in canon. He is an Endy´s fanboy and hates Shoto bc Endy didn´t smile at Inasa...entitled fan much? (I HATE HOW PEOPLE MAKE IZU BE THE CREEPY FAN WHEN WE DO HAVE CANON CREEPY FANS)
Hori doesn't seem to care to make powers interesting...nor consistent.
Look at BK, how many quirk awakenings this asshole had?
To make this short, I believe is not about the power, is how you use...and no one in mha wants to think outside the box.
(on that note, why Toga is the only one who has a transformative quirk?)
Kinda ironic and poetic to think despite being one his favorite quirks, AFO probably has no idea about spearlike bones being his mother's quirk.
I mean realistically he doesn't have any way to know it, but I think he has an unconscious sentimental connection with his mom quirk as corny it sounds.
His favoritism even seem made him collect quirks that resemble spearlike bones in look and functionality, such as Rivet Stab and one unknown "drills" quirk. Both used at the same time during his last battle with All Might btw.
Also how we can forget the fact spearlike bones is also the last quirk he ever used? (On his original body at least)
Horikoshi definitely knew what he was doing here. I can't help but think it's brillaint despite the whole story is far from perfect.
This post was made before the full leaks, or well before the main leaker mentioned anything about Edgeshot anyway. I think he did but like half day later.
Considering Edgeshot go back to service even being a little thread with hands I personaly doubt even this experience is enough to stop him. He's not afraid of anything lol.
On that note It's reallt satisfying know that he and Bakugou became so close after their experience together.
I do wonder what's he doing overseas, as he must have spend a very good time in traveling if he dissapeared from the hero charts.
Good luck with your story.
The fact Shindo made top 20 in the hero charts 8 years later and not a lot of the Class A guys including Uraraka make me proud of my boy.
Shindo really deserved it, so good for him.
But the new top 20 makes me wonder if Edgeshot quit being a hero as he's nowhere to be seen.
Seems to extreme that he being 4th descended so far. I wonder if his health was really so compromised that he wasn't able to fully recover.
I will miss you my dear ninja hero.
Fav ship category: Battle Couple composed by a younger hot headed, passionate and energic top, with their cold more mature but protective older bottom.
-Izuku x Giulio
These two are such a fun duo.
The contrast between their styles and personalities makes for an instant fav ship, and it's fun how they progress in the movie together
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-Bakugou x Edgeshot
Need to explain this one? Shinya literally is the reason Katsuki isn't in the afterlife lol, he metaphorically and literally became Bakugo's heart, how you can go better than that?
The savior dynamic is perfect, just like the such different aesthetic and personalities that compliment each other perfectly. You can't imagine how happy makes me know they're so close in the epilogue after all those years (Katsuki doesn't need Deku is he has Shinya)
They are like the Ereri of MHA in terms of style.
Speaking of which...
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Eren x Levi
The whole reason for me to watch SNK in the first place. Wish I lived during the peak of the ship though.
All time classic for good reason.
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Shoto x Hawks
You can't tell me Shoto didn't have a small crush on Keigo.
This is the only valid and real ship for Keigo with one of the Todorokis kids.
It's a shame Horikoshi didn't make Shoto to have his intership with Hawks and instead go with Tokoyami. What a waste...
Oh also I guess this ship is different than the others because Shoto is the cold one while Hawks is the energic goofer.
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Denji x Aki
Doomed yaoi everyone.
I'm 100% on the idea of Denji being the top in the relationship, sorry to the Aki top stans (even if I do think Aki is a power bottom).
CSM isn't the same without these two going along.
I mean why not? At least with Bakugou being a descendant of Kudo you can at least make a believable connection between them, rather than just "The importance of Bakugou in AFO fight is based on the fact he looks like the guy who stole his brother a century ago" which is dumb af.
Canon possum is a joke but one thing I never forget is how decay IS powerful, sure a powerful quirk with an idiot is not a good thing in many fronts but...
Cinder (I'm loving him already) has to know a guy who can decay stuff with one touch even if he is an idiot.
Would cinder be worried about the quirk ?
Again, shig is an idiot and a bad leader and all that but one thing we can't deny is he knows how to fight.
So I think cinder would make a point to avoid him like the plague.
In canon Cider is the kind of person who knows he shouldn't bite off more than he can chew, since after all his plan during his debut was to steal during a very specific moment in which heroes aren't present, so is more reward without having to fight and less risk.
It was just a coincidence that A.M was there with Bakugou and Todoroki.
I guess his mentality also applies to fight dangerous villains, and the lov had some big names attached them. Their reputation probably was enough for Cider to not have his gang involved with such group of psychos.
But... I disagree on Shigaraki being a good fighter.
Maybe before all the bs power ups given by the doctor he at least knew how do surprise attacks and such, but Decay being such a one-dimensional quirk also means the user doesn't require a lot of skill to put it in use. It is basically just run towards the enemy and touch for instakill.
Which became even more braindead post awakening. Like even Overhaul has more room to be creative and need skill to put in use.
Decay is just a broken and boring quirk that requieres nothing to be effective. Crusty asshole somehow manages to be more plain than he already was at first, is like he evolves in reverse.
That's the magic of MHA secundary characters, they're blanks ready to be filled by our own ideas.
Sadly no, we never got an official name for the Cider House members not even the leader himself despite his dope looking design and cool quirk. He really got a lot of style and good presentation for a minor villain used to glaze Shoto.
Mustard is really a case on his own. He got all the basis for being a fascinating character, yet he appears even less than Cider House leader ironically. He doesn't have a name either.
So chapter 1 is already beta, and now my beta reader is helping me with chapter 2. This weekend will post the fic
I have a question...What you think Cinder does when he´s on, hum, let´s say off days?
Cool, I'm excited to read the final version.
So about Cider hobbies, I did mention some times that he's a surfer but that doesn't limit to the sea. After all he uses his quirk to surf in land as well.
Can we call his activity urban surfing? Pretty sure he's one of the few people who can pull off such sport lol.
I can imagine him going with his friends or solo to a derelic industrial complex or a scenario like that, a place with a lot of obstacles were practice his style for fun and training at the same time.
He's also a very good graffiti artist who likes to leave his own mark in a lot of places. Very standar for a gang to do so, but Cider likes a bit more of personality for his own graffiti.
He probably has an artistic side even if he doesn't realize that. And most likely Cider is the kind of guy who consume mangas more because of the pretty art than the story itself lol.
Midoriya probably was surprised they share a common interest on some geek stuff. I can see them having lazy days of just chill and cuddling, both reading mangas of different genres with some music in the background and making comments here and there about the story and characters.