Penelope Didn't Have To Turn The Tree Bed Into A Riddle. She Could Have Asked Odysseus To Prove His Identity,

penelope didn't have to turn the tree bed into a riddle. she could have asked odysseus to prove his identity, to tell her something only he would know — which she actually did a few books earlier, when she asked the beggar to describe odysseus, and odysseus told her about a purple cloak with a particular golden brooch that she fastened herself twenty years ago. when penelope tells telemachus they have signs by which they'll know each other, you sort of expect more of the same. and instead, she decides to trap him. like a bug in a cup.

and it's delightful to me, idk, how odysseus has been trapped and cornered in various way throughout the odyssey, but arguably never so that he has to tell the truth to get out. (with the phaeacians, maybe? the omniscient narrator corroborates some of what he tells them, but do we really know everything?) and in fact he is not trying to get free of penelope. he wants something from her, wants to convince her, wants to be welcomed home, but until this point he's lied to her, revealed himself to other people before her, and been distant with her (though also patient! he doesn't try to strongarm or rush her into accepting him; it's his idea to sleep elsewhere).

except penelope isn't looking for him to be distant and patient. penelope lies in a way that requires odysseus to stop playing along — not only to prove that he knows what odysseus knows, but that he's willing to tell the truth about himself.

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In The Odyssey, Odysseus is extraordinary for the flexibility with which he can inhabit many different names, or no name at all. It is this quality of being multinamed and nameless that enables him to survive. By contrast, almost all the warriors of The Iliad yearn to have a name and a story that lasts forever. Their many names and titles, as sons and brothers and comrades and fathers and rulers, are essential to their identities, their connections with one another, and their fame after death. They fear, above all, being humiliated (cursed with a negative name), or forgotten and nameless. The lists and catalogs of names are essential to the poem’s own work, of memorializing and mourning the dead. Once the bodies return to dust, these syllables are all that remain.

– Emily Wilson, Translator's note for The Iliad.

11 months ago

Athena to Penelope when Odysseus and her reunite:

Athena To Penelope When Odysseus And Her Reunite:
10 months ago

Any of you ever seen this painting?

Any Of You Ever Seen This Painting?

It's "Andromache" by Rochegrosse and it shows the moment where Andromache is violently torn away from her child Astyanax at the end of the Trojan War. Odysseus is watching the scene from the top of the stairs, waiting for the child to throw it from the ramparts of Troy.

I've seen the original a couple years ago in Rouen, France and let me tell you, I'm not much of an art enthusiast but this painting, this scene and this imaging is haunting my mind to this day. Few paintings have ever left me speechless and this is one of them

4 months ago
Queen Of Ithaca :D
Queen Of Ithaca :D

queen of ithaca :D

1 year ago

minos was such a pussy. if my wife gave birth to an epic minotaur baby i wouldn't have locked him in a labyrinth. i would have taken him to the mcdonalds play place (athens) every day and let him eat as many stray mcnuggets (athenians) off the floor as he wanted. i love you hungry son

2 weeks ago
Wow.... I Cant Believe They Were Abandoned And Luffy Collected Them Like Treasures.....
Wow.... I Cant Believe They Were Abandoned And Luffy Collected Them Like Treasures.....
Wow.... I Cant Believe They Were Abandoned And Luffy Collected Them Like Treasures.....

wow.... i cant believe they were abandoned and Luffy collected them like treasures.....

the rest of the strawhats/friends that were gonna be in this post but i decided against it

Not all of them were abandoned by individual people like family members and their community, but the government. Specifically Franky and Law.

Vivi was gonna be in there too but i couldnt,,,, really,,,,, fit her in there.

Wow.... I Cant Believe They Were Abandoned And Luffy Collected Them Like Treasures.....
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