Why do you not like the Korrasami/Supercorp comparisons?
There's a handful of reasons, but the biggest would be the difference in culture/race and also the circumstances of the creation process of the two series.
I personally have had too many debates with people about Asami and other ATLA/TLOK characters being POC. Honestly it still baffles me that people believe that most of the characters are white and continue to believe this. This is also present in a handful of Asami/Lena comparisons and Korrasami/Supercorp comparisons. Obviously not all posts are like this, but a good amount are either explicitly or implicitly implying that Asami is a white woman. So often media will whitewash characters and the public will be vocal about a black person being whitewashed. But when an Asian character is whitewashed or racebent, there isn't as much vocal outcry. This can be seen in a handful of movie and series adaptations of Asian source material. So when people specifically compare the two characters and say that Katie McGrath would be the perfect Asami, I personally find it extremely problematic.
Another issue overall between the Korrasami = Supercorp idea is that people are often taking two women of color and plopping them down into an, honestly, stereotypical white world where there is a lack of POC and culture (I haven't watched past season 3 so this could have changed in some way). Korra and Asami break so many molds when it comes to POC stereotypes, that it's really difficult personally to see them compared to characters that come from the Supergirl Universe.
Finally the idea of "will supergirl writers have the guts to do this..." is so stomach turning. The Legend of Korra came out in 2012 and aired its last episode in 2014. In 2014 same sex marriage was not legal across the USA. It wasn't until midway through 2015 that it became legal. This means that the writing for Korrasami needed to be done in very specific ways to even be broadcasted through Nickelodeon. When it comes to Supergirl, there are no limitations like that, only the producers/executives and even the cast. So to even think that the Supergirl writers needed to "pull a Korrasami", the queerbaiting, and the problematic comments that some of the Supergirl cast have made in the past is honestly really disappointing and furthers my dislike of the two series, characters, and couple being compared.
Yes we can look at similarities of the characters' circumstances and personalities, but this is surface level. If we get down to the nitty gritty and really delve into the nuances of Korrasami = Supercorp, there are a lot of underlying issues.
supercorp and coming out at game night? ft lucy saying “give me the 20, danvers” “you bet on us?!”??
After… everything, Lucy flew home to National City and Lena started coming to Game Night.
Because Lena and Kara had become even more inseparable, and because Lucy needed to be with her family.
It was strange for Alex, at first. Game Night had always been a more active version of Sisters’ Night; then, it was James and Winn, and sometimes Lucy, which started out feeling forced and uncomfortable and making Alex realize how little time she spent with people other than Kara outside of work, but then… then started feeling an awful lot like… well, like family.
Then, Maggie joined in – at Kara’s invitation, after Rick Malverne – which had been stressful and scary but ultimately, wonderful. And even more like family.
And now, with Lena, Alex is… cautious. Because what if Lena is angry with Maggie for arresting her? Alex has been unusually frightened of fights since the tank, because, after all, she got into that elevator alone after Maggie and Kara tore into each other…
Kara promises her that it’ll be fine, that Lena isn’t holding a grudge. That she needs a family, especially now, especially after the way she was played, the way she was used, the way she saved the Earth and was terrified that she’d have lost Kara in the process.
And… it is fine. More than fine, really.
Because Lena Luthor? Lena is funny. She and Winn won’t stop bringing little gadgets into the games to help them get the upper hand, won’t stop babbling, talking over each other, hands on each other, giggling in a way that Alex never imagined Lena Luthor could giggle, about the new tech they were working on, about the tech they wanted to dream up together.
Winn keeps whipping out napkins to write notes on for later, until Lena reminds him with an arched eyebrow that he could always use his phone.
Alex laughs as Lucy drinks, as James and Maggie whisper to each other. She leans into her little sister, who was also sitting back, taking it all in. Her family.
“You okay?” Alex nudges her, because she hasn’t been okay, lately. But around Lena, she seems… better. Happier. She even smiles and laughs, now.
Kara sighs and lets her head drop onto her sister’s shoulder. “Happy to be with everyone,” she tells her, and she doesn’t have to tell her the underlying implication.
That everyone is alive. Shockingly.
Alex nods quietly, and watches Lena’s eyes catch Kara’s. Feels Kara’s body sit up. Watches Lena bite her lip before looking away almost coyly.
Alex wonders for a moment if she’d hear Kara’s heartrate increase if she had Kara’s superhearing.
But she doesn’t have her superhearing, so she has to just wonder. Lucy and Maggie have their opinions, she knows, but she’s just waiting to hear it from Kara herself.
She doesn’t have to wait long.
Kara tells her before she tells everyone else.
Tells her that she’s bi. That she hadn’t said anything earlier because she didn’t know, and then because she didn’t want to take away from Alex’s own coming out. But she has to tell her now, because… well, because she and Lena are dating, but Alex can’t tell anyone yet, because Lena’s not ready, but Lena knows Kara is telling her and oh Alex, please don’t be angry with me –
Alex cuts her off with the longest, hardest hug they’ve shared in a while – while is saying something because their hugs have only grown lately – and promises not to say anything until Lena is ready.
Which turns out to be difficult, because Lena keeps coming to Game Nights. With everyone. Pretending not to be dating her little sister.
It amuses Alex, more than anything. Especially because Lucy and Maggie don’t officially know.
So she sits through over a month of weekly Game Nights – all featuring Lena in attendance, looser than Alex had ever imagined she could be, Lucy jabbing Alex in the ribcage every time Kara and Lena’s hands brush, catching Maggie and Lucy playing a silent drinking game based on Kara and Lena’s interactions – without being able to say anything.
Pretending she knows nothing.
Pretending she can’t bare to think about her little sister’s love and sex life, even though it’s almost all they’ve been talking about lately.
Pretending, that is, until Lena clears her throat and Kara nods and takes her hand.
Lucy practically spills her drink down her front.
Maggie does.
“Um, guys?” Kara asks to the already silent room.
Silent, that is, except for Winn, who’s still scooting Toad through Bowser’s Castle, his whole body moving along with the controls.
They all wait, bemused, for him to notice that the only sound in the apartment is suddenly Mario Kart music. He pauses it and looks up.
“Wh – oh. Ohhhhhh.” He sees Kara and Lena’s hands, their fingers interlaced, and he purses his lips to contain his excitement.
“Guys, um… Lena and I wanted to tell you…” Kara adjusts her glasses, and Alex ignores Lucy’s persistent elbow at her side. “We’ve been seeing each other.” Another glasses adjustment. “Well, um, I mean, of course we’ve been seeing each other, I’m looking at her right now, I just… I really mean… Lena’s my girlfriend. And I’m her girlfriend.”
James smiles broadly at his folded hands, Winn reaches behind Alex to high five Maggie, and Lucy jumps up from her seat at the edge of the coffee table, knocking over a bowl of popcorn and utterly not caring.
“You owe me twenty bucks, Danvers!”
“You were betting on us?” Lena wants to know, and Alex shrugs with a laugh.
“Well, I wasn’t supposed to tell them that I knew, now was I?”
Kara and Lena nod, both grinning with relief, in concession, but Maggie and Lucy explode.
“You knew and you didn’t tell us?!”
“You let us play all those drinking games and you knew the whole time?”
“I thought we were friends!”
“I thought you were my fiancee!”
“I thought we were bonded for life after rescuing you from Cadmus – “
“To be fair, you also sent her there in the first place, Luce – “
“No one asked you, Olsen!”
“I love you, babe, but you’re totally sleeping on the couch tonight.”
It goes on, and on, and on, and Kara and Lena take the time to watch their friends bicker – bicker out of pure happiness that Kara is wearing that smile again, that they’ve gained another new family member again.
“Well, if I’d known the biggest problem anyone would have had with our relationship was a drinking game and a twenty dollar bet, I would have told them sooner,” Lena smiles into Kara’s lips, and the awwwwwwwwwww that rises from the Superfriends as they kiss is what finally ends the playful bickering.
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well she’s not wrong
I just want to say that it has been an honor and a privilege to have had this generation be the generation of USWNT players that “raised” me. ❤️
It's everybody's fault and nobody's fault. If we want to look at this tournament from a objective and rational point of view, we probably should say that this team arrived unprepared, those players didn't just forget how to be the fucking best in the world in 2 years, they just hadn't been prepared to face the development many teams actually had. They knew USWNT, USWNT didn't know them. Many players surely underperformed, in particular in my opinion Megan Rapinoe, Abby Dahlkemper, Sam Mewis and today Rose Lavelle too, while others I think didn't even have the chance to find a continuity. Tobin Heath never played winger or any kind of attacking role, she wasn't perfect but she was everywhere trying to cover all the holes on the field. And you can't sacrifice Tobin Heath as a damned martyr like this after an injury. Christen Press should have been THE leader of the offense line and she almost never played 90 minutes, and never with the same people. Alex Morgan paradoxically almost played better for Orlando Pride, with more runs and more movement, she just waited there. But just like Press she didn't even have consistency. Carli Lloyd was just at the finish line.
I don't understand the tactics. I tried to. I tried to imagine some greater plan, I thought they could find themselves again soon enough to turn this tournament around but they couldn't. And they couldn't also because sadly Vlatko didn't know how to manage this group. The way he changed every single line-up (I know turn-over is vital when you play every 2/3 days but you also need stability), they way he handled substitutions, changing all together the forwards and never giving a chance to create something stable with Tobin & Christen on the wings and Carli/Alex in the middle was absolutely absurd to me. He brought Macario, he could have used her as a wild card, she could have helped the midfield having more depth and freeing Tobin but he never considered the option. It was too wrong.
And beyond everything, it's absolutely not a ONE player's fault. Not Tierna's, certainly not AD's, not Rapinoe's and not Tobin's (definitely not Tobin's), they won together, they lost together.
But after all of this, the thing I can't get over is that THIS TEAM deserved better and despite everything, I'm still damn proud of them. The USWNT taught me a LOT, they showed me another way to love and live football, they showed me how football could actually be a mean and not only an end, they forged women's football more and better than anyone else and I can't stand seeing how all the world was just waiting for them to fall.
Many times I don't agree with Carli Lloyd, I don't share her opinions and I don't like her thoughts. But seeing her today sprinting by herself after the game and sobbing after the end was just heartbreaking because it was like seeing a pillar falling down. Seeing Rapinoe crying and maybe realizing that her and Carli's time is over was unbearable. Seeing Lindsey seeking comfort in Tobin and Christen's arms was just terrible.
USWNT has a new era in front of them, an era that needs to begin with new forces and still some veterans, but an era of change inevitably. But I want this team to be remembered just like the 99ers because what they did for women's football is just as much remarkable and groundbreaking.
Personally I have to admit that I just hope Tobin Heath will play at least for another World Cup, I believe she has it in her but I don't know if she wants to. She isn't scared of retirement but I am. She meant too much.
And in the end, I'm not even American but this team is one of the things I feel most close to me in my life. So today we face the loss, tomorrow we go after the bronze medal and the day after that we start again and we work to show the world who the fucking champions are.
i'm never gonna emotionally recover from this
Dear The @cwnetwork:
Let's talk.
Let's talk about why the queerbaiting between the characters of Kara Danvers and Lena Luthor of Supergirl, whether accidental, indirect, or implied, needs to stop asap.
I understand the difference of accidental chemistry between your actresses and straight-up using their storylines as bait to keep your audience hooked.
I know that the LGBTQIA+ community isn't your only audience. However, we are the audience that you are targeting specifically these days. Everytime your program uses Kara and Lena's scenes in the trailer, the teasers from then and now, in the dialogue, their relationship as a recurring topic, as social media boards, promo mats, or when you show their moments in-between that they parallel with other canon DC TV couples, we can't help but hope. We invest our time and emotions in these characters who might get an entire different ending because your management can't stomach a lead ending up with another woman on television.
I get it. You want Supergirl to be a family-friendly show. You want her character to inspire young girls and boys alike. What would parents tell their kids if Supergirl ends up with a woman? Well, what are you showing now if she doesn't end up with the only character who translates to being her soulmate? It seems to me that you don't actually want kids and adults alike to 'dare to defy'. You're afraid of a generation that is confident and emotionally secure to become whoever they want to be. You're telling the same sick excuse that if kids watch a major heroine character end up with another woman, they might follow suit. That is so unrealistic. I've been watching the most heterosexual Disney movies since I was 5 yet I'm still attracted to men and women. Also, so what if these kids grow up to be confident queer folks? Would it be so bad for the younger generation to grow up loving themselves for who they are through a show that preaches about it?
If the chemistry between Melissa and Katie was accidental, we get it. Props to them for acting the hell out every single time they're in a scene together. But to constantly use the "friendship" of their characters to a point where it became the most interesting and awaited dynamic in the entire show yet you still try to convince us that there is nothing 'romantic' is not okay. If they're just best friends, then make them act like they are just best friends.
Don't show us Lena Luthor constantly supporting Kara as a reporter, seeing her potential since the beginning. Don't let Lena be the first one Kara thinks of when she wants to just be herself. It doesn't matter if it's gushing about 90's boy bands, getting her fill of her favorite fast-food, talking about her family, or just simply being happy. If not Lena, then don't show her constantly upgrading Supergirl's suits every single time so Kara can be safe. Don't even think about letting Lena move to National City to 'share her home with a Kryptonian'. Whenever I have a celebrity crush, all I want is to get their autograph or a selfie. Not to breathe the same air where they live! If it's not Lena, then don't trick us into believing that she is the most important person Kara trusts 'in the entire galaxy'. Do not let them become each other's life support. And whatever you do, don't show Kara constantly worrying about Lena every chance she gets to the point where she would risk her identity to save her. That even on the brink of death, she can't help but mention this woman. Do not let Kara fight every single one in her way who even thinks of disrespecting Ms. CEO of LCorp. Don't make an entire episode of Kara visiting different alternate realities in the hopes that Lena would find it in her heart to forgive her. That maybe there is a world out there where they will work out. That's too romantic. We might see right through it. Please refrain from showing these very straight women staring longingly at photographs of each other when things go haywire. Don't create scenes that equate to them breaking up constantly even if they're not technically together. For the love of all things fashion, don't let them constantly wear couple-coded outfits so that they could match. Not the red and blue! That's reserved for the canon partner. Don't even suggest that they're each other's "person". Big no-no. Too much.
You can't tell us, "Well, maybe you've never had a best friend." I sure as hell do not make extra efforts to see my bestie every five minutes, filling their office with flowers, etc. No. You do not know how to value a healthy and loving romantic relationship and it shows.
Being a part of a community that is constantly oppressed, bullied, and shamed for loving who the fuck you want to love is exhausting. It's 2021 and some of you are still acting like we might polish the devil's shoes for holding another girl's hand. You cannot continue on using romantic themes between Kara and Lena if they're not going to end up together. You know why? Because you're telling majority of your viewers, particularly those belonging to the LGBTQIA+ community whether young, old, or in between, that our stories do not matter. Kara and Lena's entire journey reflects a real queer couple's. So if you say that there is absolutely nothing romantic between these characters, it's invalidating.
So, The CW, forgive us for being delighted when we see a major heroine on our fucking TV screens who might just be one of us. Forgive us for wanting representation and demanding for the representation of our community to be respectful. We're sorry for hoping that our stories, our struggles, our fight for love and equality might just be represented by a major TV superhero show in Hollywood. And yes, we have Alex Danvers, Kelly Olsen, and Nia Nal already. But if you really care about these characters that are a part of our community, then give them and their relationships the much-deserved screentime and story development.
But honey, I will never apologize for giving you hell on constantly failing to find a "lead" that would match your protagonist. To be fair, you have a talent for finding the worst possible partners for Kara. Lucy? Wasted potential. James? You we're too racist before they had a chance then turned him into a terrible character. Mon-el? Self-absorbed and toxic. Also, he's married in the future. Don't even think about bringing his ass back. This show ain't The Legal Wife. I don't care if the actors are married in real life, this is fiction and their stories are different. William? ARE. YOU. FUCKING. KIDDING. ME?!
Here's what we've been trying to say about William Dey: he is irrelevant to any kind of plot in the episodes he's been in and the ones in the future, no emotional string to any other character, and pointless to the entire show. If he really is your final choice as Kara's love interest, make their relationship make sense. First of all, there is no chemistry. Second, there is no story. If he's your leading man, why is he the most disconnected character to Kara, both as a reporter and as Supergirl. Why is his character the most underwhelming? How come we cringe when we see him on our screens? Inserting him in random scenarios to seem relevant doesn't make him prince charming material. Just because he's also a reporter doesn't make him the Lois Lane of the show. He just got here! Being an asshole in the beginning, disrespecting her work, then suddenly sending treats on her doorstep isn't romantic. It's gaslighting. If he is truly Kara's endgame, it's disappointing because she will have the most shallow and thoughtless love story out of all the DC TV superheroes. To make matters worse, the actor is so defensive. He insists on being bullied by the fans and that his character is misunderstood. And I can't believe that there are cast members who are so vocal about giving his character a chance. This isn't a best friend's race where you have to defend your cast member all the freaking time. It sucks to hear. Ladies, if he's such a great character, you don't need to constantly convince your audience. You can't say you're tired of the fans who keep bullying him. His character simply does not fit the narrative. We're not bullies! We're simply asking for a better partner. Also, I understand that we must learn to separate the artist from his art. We get it. The actor who constantly whines on social media for the bare minimum support should know the difference too. To be clear, we don't really have anything against William as long as he stays as an extra because that's who he is on the show right now. Crumbs, darling. What we don't like is for him to end up with Kara because she deserves better.
Your main character has been traumatized for years, always at war with who she is and which side matters most, constantly loses the people she loves, selfless to the core, and isn't even given the space to breathe, process, and recover. She deserves someone who will be worthy of representing her family motto. El mayarah.
Kara Zor-El needs somebody who's gonna love her so much it's gonna hurt. She needs somebody who doesn't love her only because she's the girl from the stars, but understands that sometimes she just wants to be held. She needs somebody who respects her and actually listens to her. She needs to be protected more than ever because of the constant near-death experiences she faces. What's William gonna do? Kara needs somebody to come home to and show photos of the cats she rescued from a huge tree down the street and how maybe they could adopt one too. She deserves pillow fights, lazy nights, flopping at baking, geeking about her abilities, and so much more. She deserves someone she can share her heritage and build a home with. She needs someone who is just as human as she yearns to be, broken, a little bruised, but stronger everyday. She deserves to end up with the character who cares for her just as fiercely as Alex does. If that's really William Dey, you have a despicable way of showing it.
But, if you're too homophobic and decide for Kara to end up alone, then that's not fair. She has given so much to save her family, offered her cousin the space he does not deserve, the patience her parents have not earned, and her friends most of her time that they spend too much on just her alter-ego. She is worthy of being loved without expectations. And you know what? She already is.
Lena Kieran Luthor loves her - irrevocably, unconditionally, to a fault.
I don't care if it was accidental, the acting brought it out, or you're just using their stories as a plot device to keep us on the edge of our seats. Lena loves Kara too much it almost broke her. She loves her so much that you decided to create this huge plot where she never finds out the secret so Kara won't lose the one person who doesn't mind if she lives in the rent-controlled side of town. Honestly, if that's just who she is, no cape or super abilities, Lena would love her just as much. She already does. Lena Luthor, the busiest character on the show, loves Kara to the point of devotion and invention. Do you know how hard it is to speak to a CEO casually? It's like trying to solve this global pandemic. It's impossible. Yet here she is constantly thinking about Kara this or Supergirl that. To be clear, I'm not excusing her actions last season. But she's stronger than what your showrunners give her credit for. Lena is constantly manipulated, abused, neglected, lied to, betrayed, you name it. But time and time again she has proven that she is Kara's match. You have given Kara Zor-El a soulmate the moment you decided that Katie McGrath should stay as a series regular. And I for one am not sorry that her character is a strong independent woman. You should start not being sorry or afraid too.
Look, you can say that it's too early in the season so I should not get ahead of myself. This is also fictional so I shouldn't have so many expectations. I would stop if you refrain from throwing any kind of bone. Maybe I should remain seated and let the writers do their thing? The reality is it's not too early in the season. In fact, it's far too late in the game. If this was RuPaul's Drag Race, baby we are lipsyncing for the crown! You can either sew, crack a joke, death drop 'til your legs give out while remembering the words to Shut Up And Drive, or sashay away.
This is your final season. You should be tying up loose ends. If Lena Luthor was a man, they would be having twins by now for all we know. You can't keep baiting us with your half-baked storylines just so you can keep your ratings afloat. You can't go on like this. Do it or drop it.
If you're going with a different romantic pairing for Kara than most of us hoped for, make it fucking make sense and stick with it. Otherwise, allow Kara to embody her family motto with the only person who truly makes her stronger.
Note: GIF taken from the @lonelydiary through Tumblr. Hope it's okay. Thank you.
Happy Valentine’s Day!!!❤️❤️❤️
I’m rewatching the half of it and it only just started but im crying cause alice wu really did this she had her own paul who stopped being her friend because she’s gay and that was her first heartbreak after coming out and she wrote this movie as a way to work through it but she gave ellie a happy ending with her paul and had him say “I never want to be the guy who stops loving someone for loving the way that they want to love.”
fuck people who criticized this movie for “not being gay enough” fuck them all GOD