Um actually you are wrong on several accounts for example Anakin did not care about being a Jedi master because of the tittle it was something he really wanted but because it gave him access to the forbidden archives to find a way to save padme so no he was actually focused on saving his wife and children not because of a promotion. It's in the novelization but it was canon and Lucas over saw it and helped edit it. Also Anakin is shown to be angry because he feels it is injustice that he is on the council seat and not a master instead of not having the seat at all. If the seat was rejected I don't think he would lash out nearly as much as he acts calm at their initial doubt. I think your not giving Anakin enough credit and just writing him of as some arrogant brat when he is not hell Anakin at this point was fully committed to just leaving the Order to be with Padme after saving her life but because the council refuses to give him access to he a master and potentially saving Padme he was pissed. Even then you seem to forget in the movie he just a question and doesn't try to you know kill them or threaten them he only ask a simple question that the SWTOr era would have given him. Satele's apprentice when not given the rank of knight was explained why he couldn't get it but noooo not Anakin.
So the Jedi take a lot of hits - some deserved, many not - for their decisions during the various stories. One of the decisions where i think they don’t deserve the hate was this much-discussed gem from Revenge of the Sith.
Wouldn’t it be awesome if this were all a test? Like, if Anakin does what a Jedi is supposed to do and says “I understand, Master. I will strive to prove worthy of your trust.” they all say. “Ah - that’s the correct answer. Congratulations. You are now a Jedi Master.” Instead, he throws a fit about not getting a promotion. Jedi are not supposed to care that much about promotions. A reminder here - The Jedi do NOT promote based on personal power, or even as an act of merit for victories in battle. The Jedi promote to Master based on wisdom and dedication to the ideals of the order. They make no secret of this. To anyone. Anakin, at this point, is a galactic hero in the war against the CIS. He slew Dooku. He’s won countless battles. But virtually everything he says and does screams ‘I’m not ready to be a Jedi master and i may never be ready to be a Jedi master!’ (It shouldn’t help that he has married and is having kids, and all he can think about is whether or not he gets the nice corner office at work. He’s honestly thinking about his career?)
Honestly, this is some petulant emo b.s. And no, The Clone Wars doesn’t make me think differently about it. Maybe the Jedi Order - and Obi-Wan - did fail Anakin. Maybe they didn’t help him deal with the trauma of his childhood or his mother’s death. Quite frankly, there are so many iterations between Canon and Legends that i can’t keep track. But you cannot tell me that they were being unfair to him when they told him they weren’t making him a Jedi master. I can’t help but contrast it with the ending of the Jedi Knight story.
Now if you went DS - if you chose to go DS - then Satele does not make you a Master. This is appropriate. No one “accidentally” goes DS when they play SWTOR, much less when they play JK and the LS points come at you like crazy. But i keep seeing fans of every stripe complain about how unfair and hypocritical this is. After all - you’ve just saved the galaxy! The Jedi don’t appoint Masters based on saving the galaxy. They don’t appoint Masters based on winning the most battles. If a Jedi Knight does not become a Jedi Master at the end of the story, then the responsibility for that lies squarely on the player. (I will say that its b.s. that Satele calls out the DS JK in front of the Republic’s entire leadership. That was terribly indiscreet on Satele’s part and makes no sense whatsoever.) I know some people have written fic where the JK has no choice but to go dark-side in order to destroy the Emperor, and then use the fic as a platform to complain about how unfair Satele and the council are. That is their right, but that is not what happens in the actual game. Jedi Masters certainly do fail, either falling to the dark side or to their own hypocrisy. Jaric Kaedan. Jun Seros. Dooku. Being named a Jedi Master does not give you some kind of shield against failure. Maybe the council should have seen the signs on some of THOSE failures. But Anakin and a dark-side JK? I’m sorry. But they have have no room to complain. The Jedi order never lied about the qualifications for being a master. BioWare doesn’t always do a great job making our choices matter. But they did here.
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I'm not to defend Padme or Anakin but
1. It wasn't genocide there are at least millions more tusken raiders
2. There has rarely if ever been a good tusken raider. They constantly slaughter people and are never on trial because there is no trial in the first place.
3. Eh before becoming Darth Vader he saved at least billions of beings all across the Galaxy so that should make up for killing less than a hundred sentient beings.
4. Luke killed a few thousand if not million people by blowing up the death star yet he never stands trial either so how is that different
there was a kylo ren reference in star wars resistance tonight, apparently slaughtering villages is a hobby for him. the episode’s premise revolves around 2 kids running away from the FO after kylo killed their entire village, including their parents. FO wants to kill the kids, too.
Oh but poor babby Ben felt TERRIBLE about having to kill them, in fact how dare the villagers make him feel so bad these kids deserved to die for that and also children are terrorist enemy combatants too and should have been killed poor Ben did nothing wrong uwu
Also what are these kids whining about anyway? At least they didn’t have a powerful Dark Side user stalking them from their father’s left nut and their dead parents actually cared about them something something kitchen droid Bendemption 2k19!!!✌️👍💖
@professorerudite Umm who was going to trial them? Tattooine is literally lawless and their leader is a freaking crime boss no one would have given a sh** considering this is not the first time they did it
Why do people seem very surprised about Vader killing younglings in Order 66? Yeah it's bad, not justifying it but literally in A New Hope we see him assisting or at least sitting by idly while Tarkin blows up Alderaan.
Because picturing something is different than witnessing it. It’s one thing to imagine, in the back of your mind, the possibility of Anakin slaughtering children and it’s an entirely different thing to watch kids be slaughtered. Also, for most of the prequels, Anakin was the hero. We were used to seen him saving them day – no matter how aware we were about who he would later became – so, to watch that transformation on screen was very traumatic. I guess denial probably plays a role in this too because, until that moment, we knew Anakin would go bad but we didn’t know how. Back in the day, people still theorized about why and how Anakin became Vader so when ROTS premiere we had no idea what to expect. Until we saw it with our own ideas we could still imagine that something/someone “made him do it”, that maybe he wasn’t THAT vile. Watching Anakin, willingly, kill kids in cold blood was a rude awakening for the audience.
It also played with our sympathies. Alderaan was tragic but we didn’t actually *experienced* it. It was something that happened to somebody else, someone we weren’t emotionally attached to, so it was much, much easier to dismiss Vader’s role in the destruction of Alderaan. Now, cute little kids being cruelly cut down *on screen* is not as easy to dismiss.
Actually he is most likely in the top 5 with his feats and just scaling
its weird bc anakin is supposed to be be the MOST force potent charcater in the star wars universe but he just fucking NEVER USES THE FORCE, FOR ANYTHING? he ONLY EVER lightsaber battle people, which, like, has nothing do with being as powerful as a jedi
like the emperor uses force lightning all the time and even when yoda fought he was using his powerful force abilities to LIFT SHIT and throw it around but anakin NEVER DOES THAT he ONLY chokes people and then lightsaber fights, literally anyone can use a lightsaber
please do this, i really want to know how many people don’t actually despise him
Hello notice your reply but TCW is mostly handled by Dave Filoni not George and not to mention George oversaw some of the sources I mentioned and the relationship was never toxic until he turned and that is a fact before TCW everything before TCW never showed it being toxic until Anakin turned evil. My argument is that Anakin even though he was selfish was not an abusive person or some sort of monster before TCW showed up and basically tried to make it look like Anakin was always a bad person
When you take a step back and look at the Star Wars universe as a whole, it gets really hard to defend Padmé and Anakin’s relationship.
A common criticism against the Jedi Order is that they stood between Anakin and the love of his life, and that it tore him apart. And yeah, I guess that’s fair - if you ignore that Anakin was absolutely free to leave, that Padmé being a senator was as much of a problem as Anakin being a Jedi (which she states herself in AotC and RotS), and that Jedi weren’t even forbidden to have sex or to be in love (as explicitly stated by Lucas and Obi-Wan respectively - the problem with marriage was commitment; commitment to your spouse over commitment to your duty).
Except it wasn’t the secrecy that made Anakin fall. He would have reduced the Galaxy to ashes to save Padmé even if he’d been free to be married to her openly. And when you look at the fate of the universe? At what Anakin allowed to happen for Padmé? It’s not just the Clones whose identity and free will were ripped from them, not just the Jedi who were slaughtered by their best friends.
The Lasat were exterminated, the Wookiees enslaved, the Geonosians wiped out, the Mandalorians hunted down, the Force-sensitives children kidnapped. Worlds like Lothal were reduced to starvation. Alderaan was destroyed - billions of people, dead. Thousands of worlds were occupied and stripped of their resources.
When you need more than one hand to count the number of genocides the Empire committed, the scale of the horror is just too great to fathom.
So from that perspective - taking a step back, setting aside Padmé’s and Anakin’s feelings, understanding what was a stake - I say who cares. Who cares that Anakin was in love and that he felt he couldn’t live without Padmé. The priority was never “let Anakin Skywalker have everything his heart desires” - the priority was the billions of lives that were between him and his dreams.
That’s Jedi philosophy (except they are more compassionate that I am here). That you can’t place your emotions, your relationships, your loved ones above everything and everyone else. That’s selfish and that’s evil. Anakin’s tale was never that of a star-crossed lover who tried to break his bonds and love despite his cold, unfeeling Masters’ rules.
Anakin’s tale was that of a man who loved selfishly. (”There’s nothing more important to me than the way I feel about you” - Padmé isn’t even the most important thing - the way he feels about Padmé is. “You turned her against me! You will not take her from me!”) Who loved violently. (*after beating the crap out of Clovis* Anakin: “I know I went too far. It’s just… It’s just something inside me snapped.” Padmé: “I don’t know who’s in there sometimes. I just know that I’m not happy anymore. I don’t feel safe. I think it’s best if we don’t see each other anymore. At least not for a while.”) (*later strangles his pregnant wife*)
He loved selfishly and violently and for the sake of one man’s feelings, one man’s heart, evil like nothing seen before was unleashed.
AAYLA: I can still sense your worry for Anakin, your attachment to him. AHSOKA: It’s just… I get so confused sometimes. It’s forbidden for Jedi to form attachments, yet we are supposed to be compassionate. AAYLA: It is nothing to be ashamed of, Ahsoka. I went through the same process when I was your age with my own master. AHSOKA: Really? You? AAYLA: He was like a father to me. I realized that for the greater good, I had to let him go. Don’t lose a thousand lives just to save one.
Don’t lose a thousand lives to save one.
That’s it, that’s what letting go was about. And Anakin didn’t even try.
Of course Palpatine was the instigator of all this death and misery, of course it was his plan, his design, his fault. But Anakin was the catalyst. And Anakin stood by and let it happen, and then picked up a lightsaber and started slaughtering his way to what he imagined was a “happy ending” with Padmé.
Looking at the big picture, looking at all the suffering and loss and the hard struggles of people like Hera and Kanan, like the Rebels who had to sacrifice everything for the freedom of others, it seems absurd, ridiculous, blatantly unfair that this all came to pass become of one’s man love.
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Money's on Anakin that guy is better than even Vader is at it. Doesn't help Anakin is considered the greatest star pilot multiple times by other Jedi and pilots while Hera is not.
obviously both Kanan and Padme are alive, idk who said otherwise
you're so right!! otherwise how else would i have this image which is totally a canonical real screenshot and not a drawing I did just now!
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